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[–] 1 point 3 months ago (42 children)

It's totally just a hypothetical. I guess I should have used aliens or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (41 children)

    It’s totally just a hypothetical.

    Even hypotheticals must be based on grounding assumptions... what was yours based on?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (40 children)

    I was originally thinking of Israel and the greater Israel project but didn't want to touch on that topic and somehow I'm still regretting it. We're getting away now from what the hypothetical was for aka scenarios where people in group X want people in group Y's land in any sense or scenario no longer specified by anything or any hypotheticals whatsoever.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    I was originally thinking of Israel and the greater Israel project

    Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonialist project that acts like a white supremacist settler-colonialist project... it's a pretty cut-and-dried situation.

    but didn’t want to touch on that topic

    Why not? It's a very easy topic to touch.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (19 children)

    Once again it's just a hypothetical about any scenario where group X may want group Y's land regardless of the details. Maybe group X is good maybe they are bad maybe this maybe that, I think we can step away from the specifics because we're moving away from the original point. Now you're kinda proving why, it's because I thought it would guide the conversation into being about the hypothetical more than the original point which is why I said I guess I should have used aliens.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Once again it’s just a hypothetical about any scenario where group X may want group Y’s land regardless of the details.

    Those details are important.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Yes, in specific circumstances from an outside observer Z. From the perspective of X and Y obviously they feel justified regardless of circumstances.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    in specific circumstances

    No, in all circumstances. For instance, the justifications of the coloniser can be dismissed out of hand - in all circumstances.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    I said to themselves, that doesn't mean others can't disagree and easily. While I don't agree with Zionist reasoning they seem to feel justified through the argument that greater Israel is promised to them by their God. Always a fun one when people use their religion, it's ultimately infallible to themselves through their faith albeit clearly misguided to those not faithful.

    It's human nature at its core. Someone wants something, they craft a reasoning to get it and honestly it's rare that the reasoning is actually any good, but all the same they believe it and they are internally justified to themselves. That doesn't mean the justification is good or accurate or right or not easily dismissible by others, it just means they're justified to themselves as I originally stated.

    A mind typically can't or at least doesn't do what it itself has not justified and unfortunately for us all human minds aren't logically consistent, they are storytellers and you can bend logic two ways to Sunday with the right story at least for those who want to hear it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    It’s human nature at its core.

    Bullcrap. It's perfectly obvious where right-wing ideology comes from and who it benefits... stop pretending that all justifications are in any way equal and simply "human nature."

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (5 children)

    Have you spent time with people like outside of politics or like spent time with children? Person wants X, they justify why they will or should get X. Man I know I'm on a diet but I worked out really hard today so yeah I'ma get that tub of ice cream.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    like spent time with children?

    How many children do you know that that perpetrates colonialist slaughter?

    I’ma get that tub of ice cream.

    Your attempt to de-politicise this discussion is not working - I wonder why.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    For reference we're not just talking about a singular occurrence or at least I'm not, I never was.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    For reference we’re not just talking about a singular occurrence

    Sooo... you're saying children perpetrating colonialist slaughter is not a singular occurence?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not what I meant but to entertain your continual attempts to alter the topic of discussion, in the history of humanity I suspect that's not unique.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    There's literally no way anyone can live alongside a Zionist. They'll rape them murder them and post it on twitter, then piss on the corpse and feed it to the dogs they use torape prisoners when they get tired.

    I've had indigenous roommates, and there was hardly any murder or rape involved at all. Nobody had a dog, and nobody pissed on anyone but themselves, and even that only when they had done lots of drugs.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Now we're definitely getting away from the general argument I started with (⁠┛⁠◉⁠Д⁠◉⁠)⁠┛⁠彡⁠┻⁠━⁠┻

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah because you're kind of an inchoate dipshit who was trying to compare anyone else to Zionists to defend acting like a Zionist.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Not really, the original point I keep trying to focus back to is the general situation in which a group X wants to take group Y's land in really any context not specific to any circumstance. Also I don't appreciate the way you're talking so I'm going to stop talking to you. We can have civil discussion if you want. To be civil..

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You seem like you're not presenting very civil ideas. A civil tone in which you threaten to grind my pets into a fine paste and spray that through some kind of high pressure water cutter thing in such a way as to bisect me is not civility; its an uncanny dissonance

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Ummm, what? Quote me saying that.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    So I've actually known indigenous folks! They generally don't want me to leave the country and die until they date me.

    And until pretty recently, most Palestinians just wanted someplace to live and make a living. They didn't mind living alongside filthy Zionist rape monsters, new buildings put together a little taller and no new settlers imported. No idea what the general vibe is now.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    It's a random hypothetical, I guess I should have used aliens because everyone is kinda hyper fixating on the example hypothetical and not the actual point of the discussion.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    No, I responded to that too.went with your extreme straw manned misunderstanding by pointing out that we have a shitty corporation that already does that. You asked if I owned any children. I think you just want excuses to be scared of others having agency.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    It's more so to point out that some may have a reason to hold onto what they have and the original point of group X taking from group Y would apply to your example as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Sure but why the fuck do I care about boomers and black rock execs? Fuck what they have. I don't even know anybody on this continent who owns a home.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    I think we're still a little stuck in the specifics here.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Nah. I'm a millenial. I have a couple younger genx friends, but everyone else I know was born after 1980, most of us are queer. Too many of us went to college.

    We do not own things. We will not inherit things. You're trying to provoke me to racist bullshit with the loss of a privilege that someone else already took. Like a cop shooting me with a grenade launcher and saying "yeah but imagine if a criminal had shot you!".

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (10 children)

    What's race got to do with this? Also your analogy really doesn't match the general argument. You have your health and your life, you have things that could be taken I imagine you wouldn't want taken. Happens to people all the time for different reasons. I imagine you have people you care about and you would want to see them well and wouldn't like to see someone preventing that. The list goes on and on.

    In short everything is cool until someone wants to take from you something you don't want to give.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (9 children)

    So a human life existing is worth the same as some dirt to you?

    I have in fact had a home taken from me for bullshit arbitrary reasons. No metaphor or analogy needed. I didn't fuck anything up. Everyone involved with the possible (tee-hee) exception of myself was white.

    You're just a shitty little hyper privileged racist who thinks human lives are literally worth less than dirt.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (8 children)

    Not what I was arguing but to get at the heart of the discussion aka someone wants to take something from someone else that they don't want taken I had to switch up the object to something you have a connection to.

    How did someone take your home?

    Also I never said anything about race and how do you know if I am or I am not privileged?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    how do you know if I am or am not privileged

    I a literally a wizard with an evil cursed scrying orb. Only possible way for me to know.

    how did

    That's as much of that story as I'm willing to tell.

    settlers rights! We must defend ourselves from this shit I just made up!

    Sorry I don't really care about your made up bullshit or hypothetical you make to justify it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

    It's more of a general circumstance of reality than a hypothetical. It's just that the circumstance comes where someone wants something that another person doesn't want to give. The same thing happens in nature as well between non-human organisms.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Except it doesn't belong to people, but corporations. Corporations don't have feelings and I care just as little about yours.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    I don't think a gazelle wanting to keep its life and a lion wanting to eat the gazelle has anything to do with corporations. Once again it's a general circumstance that occurs in reality and of course occurs for humans just the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    You're just saying shit to say shit. You do not have a point or understanding.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I guess, I've just been repeating what I said originally kinda over and over and over again.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Its not very sensible. You're just a privileged ass who's never had any genuine challenge in life and doesn't want to share his toys and won't stop thinking 12 year olds are hot even when hes far too old for that to be appropriate.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Born to drug addict and alcoholic parents, father was in jail, mother died of an OD, left home with nothing at 17, couch surfed, got a job, put myself through college, got a better job, improved my life. Don't hold any grudges against my parents, they had their own struggles. I wished someone was there to help them the same way people were there for me. Life now is just me chilling and doing my own thing. You're free to keep making up weird stuff or maybe those ideas are coming to your mind because that's where your head is at.

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