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[–] 13 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Tell that to the vast swathes of the globe, including China, due to face lethal wet bulb temperatures within the next 10-20 years. Which, along with mass death, means massive breadbasket failures on multiple fronts. Ain't politicking our way out of this one, chief.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, and someone was just arguing with me in a different thread saying vertical warehouse farming is stupid and we should just grow our crops in the ground outside 🙄

    Like, I'm trying to be helpful here, but sure let's continue to make no systemic changes to the way things are done and just be frustrated when our problems only continue to get worse...

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    lethal wet bulb temperatures

    Europe wants to rebalance trade with Beijing, but can’t quit Chinese air conditioners

    One country is producing all of the world's air conditioners. I wonder if they're in a better position to endure wet-bulb temperatures than their peers.

    Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.

    They absolutely can and will. This is a country that can build the infrastructure to keep people from dying of overheating. What's more, this is the country that can export that infrastructure globally, such that its allies will see improved survivability. And that will have cascading knock-on effects.

    The ability to survive climate change is the ability to operate as a global center of gravity.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    I think you missed the 'massive breadbasket failures' part of my comment. You can't air condition a field of rice. Well, you could, but good luck trying that on the scale needed to feed everyone once crops begin to fail globally.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    You do realize how many people in the world live in houses that aren't even fully-enclosed, right? Usually in some of the places that will be most impacted by climate change, too. Air conditioners won't be of much help to them.

    Also, do you know how much coal China burns each year?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right?

    It's crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there's no political cache in surmounting it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Okay so just send in the Chinese with their concrete and bulldoze these people's homes to build them nice new climate-controlled living spaces while also indebting them in higher amounts than they're likely to make in their lifetimes.

    Cause that's different from colonialism how?

    "Don't worry, primitives, we're here to surmount your obstacles for you. Because it's totally our place to decide that."

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    bulldoze these people’s homes

    You appear to be suffering from an Israel moment

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, I'm just calling out the implications of your assertions.

    You say,

    It's crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there's no political cache in surmounting it.

    How do you expect to surmount the obstacle? Just give them A/C units in their open-air homes? Or replace their homes with something enclosed and insulated? If it's the latter, how do you expect to do that without demolishing the existing structures?

    Or do you mean to force them off their lands and put them somewhere else where you built new houses?

    You seem to be doing a lot of work to try to justify your initial insinuation that global warming somehow won't affect the global south.

    You scoff at wet bulb temperatures as if you have some easy obvious solution. Well, this is what your "solution" looks like in practice.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Or do you mean to force them off their lands

    When you call in the A/C repair man, does the technician steal your property as part of the installation/repair?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Wow, you're so skilled at missing the point entirely. Either you didn't read any of my previous comments or you have selective amnesia.

    When you call the A/C repair man, he doesn't have to rebuild your entire house just to make it compatible with A/C.

    Not to mention, you're the one calling him in; not some imperialistic nation-state actor guilty of cultural erasure of virtually every ethnic minority group within their own borders.

    You have yet to answer how A/C is going to protect people in open-air houses from the effects of climate change. This magical "China will save them" is a silly utopian fantasy divorced from reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Are we talking about the same country here? Where in "southern" provinces like Sichuan there is no heating provided in buildings? And people rely on electric heaters and blankets to stay warm?

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