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[β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (4 children) Literally tried to install windows 11 for our office machines last week. installed extremely slow and laggy check process manager just takes 3.7GB to boot up Uninstall and install win10 IoT LTSC and debloat it immediately unfortunately Linux isn't yet an option because of microsoft office. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I have been managing with winboat for my office requirements. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is there no hiccups? Because if I want to roll it out in our organization and switch to linux, I really need it to be perfect and fool proof (people that dont know what an OS is will be using it of course) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* I'd say it works such that any mildly technically competent person can use it. The problem is that I know The absolute surface level nature of most people's technical ability. The dual file system nature of winboat would probably cause you issues. All you have to do is save your work to the folder that you have shared between both os's, but equally, I know full well the majority of computer users don't know what a file or directory structure is. permalink fedilink source parent [β] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago I don't expect the office apps to continue supporting ltsc tbh, so hopefully it lasts long enough for you. Windows does aggressive caching now but will clear that if the memory is needed so I often find the in use value to not be as useful of an indicator now. I will say if that was a 4gb machine I don't expect it will run 11 that well, we now will only ok 16gb computers. Not just for windows, but chrome et al all have ridiculous memory usage now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] cybervegan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) Interestingly, the web 365 apps seem to work on Linux Mint, but I've not used them extensively, or on another distro. I did a migration from Win10 to LM last autumn, and I was genuinely shocked to find that web Outlook and OneDrive work on Firefox on LM. Confirmed that web Excel and Word worked enough to allow display and editing of documents - not an extensive test, but definitely worth a look. Obviously, there are still differences between the web and desktop versions, but it might even be possible to run them under Wine, but I have not tried that, and woudn't expect it to go too well tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) The web versions aren't really professional enough for office usage afaik (and we don't really "buy" microsoft products. And the web version doesn't work that way afaik) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] cybervegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Everyone who uses O365 is pushed to use the web versions by the O365 ecosystem. When you click on Word/Excel/Outlook/whatever from your menu, it opens the web version; to use the locally installed app, you have to go to File/Open in Desktop or similar. The Open and Save dialogs default to using OneDrive - saving to local filesystem requires extra steps. The locally installed ones are becoming increasingly hard to use, by design, and the new features seem to be going into the web versions first and the local versions "eventually". For example, the new excel "matrix" functions did not work in local excel the last time I tried to use them, though they might now, but there were a few features (special formatting I think) that only worked on the local version. Templates for word do not work on the web version. permalink fedilink source parent [β] motogo@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) We're more than 125 000 employees globally using M$ Office 365. It's cheaper, more secure, far superior for collaboration than the locally installed apps IMO. Works on and Linux distro with a JavaScript capable browser. Google suite is even better but the people calling the shots have a fetish for M$. Saying the web versions are not professional is odd. Maybe we just don't share the definition of professional permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago You missed the part where we don't buy microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent [β] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago Yes, the office web apps all work fine inside of Firefox on Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Witziger_Waschbaer@feddit.org 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I use a debloated Win11 image for the situations I can't get around it. Still much more resource intensive than Linux, but it's something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -10 points 1 month ago (3 children) Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security. Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, dependencies, fonts, etc. Initial installs make a great first impression, and the rest is blamed on 'your fault', 'pebkac', 'skill issue'. -Because it's a religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if you back your claim "windows has lot more security than linux" with facts and evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent [β] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Windows security has alwaya been laughably bad, and usually just a scam to try to make it harder for users to use other operating systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -8 points 1 month ago Compared to what? You cannot honestly argue that Linux has better security. It's not even a priority of Torvalds and he gets angry about too much security infringing on userspace. Everyone also knows BSD is more secure by default. We're also talking just the kernel with Linux. Add all the 'hobby' type garbage that comes with DEs and you're no longer using a kernel as your propaganda. Windows has improved vastly since the 90s when people just played mild pranks and no one was banking online. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago Your brain lags permalink fedilink source parent
[β] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I have been managing with winboat for my office requirements. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is there no hiccups? Because if I want to roll it out in our organization and switch to linux, I really need it to be perfect and fool proof (people that dont know what an OS is will be using it of course) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* I'd say it works such that any mildly technically competent person can use it. The problem is that I know The absolute surface level nature of most people's technical ability. The dual file system nature of winboat would probably cause you issues. All you have to do is save your work to the folder that you have shared between both os's, but equally, I know full well the majority of computer users don't know what a file or directory structure is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is there no hiccups? Because if I want to roll it out in our organization and switch to linux, I really need it to be perfect and fool proof (people that dont know what an OS is will be using it of course) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* I'd say it works such that any mildly technically competent person can use it. The problem is that I know The absolute surface level nature of most people's technical ability. The dual file system nature of winboat would probably cause you issues. All you have to do is save your work to the folder that you have shared between both os's, but equally, I know full well the majority of computer users don't know what a file or directory structure is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] practisevoodoo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* I'd say it works such that any mildly technically competent person can use it. The problem is that I know The absolute surface level nature of most people's technical ability. The dual file system nature of winboat would probably cause you issues. All you have to do is save your work to the folder that you have shared between both os's, but equally, I know full well the majority of computer users don't know what a file or directory structure is. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago I don't expect the office apps to continue supporting ltsc tbh, so hopefully it lasts long enough for you. Windows does aggressive caching now but will clear that if the memory is needed so I often find the in use value to not be as useful of an indicator now. I will say if that was a 4gb machine I don't expect it will run 11 that well, we now will only ok 16gb computers. Not just for windows, but chrome et al all have ridiculous memory usage now. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cybervegan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) Interestingly, the web 365 apps seem to work on Linux Mint, but I've not used them extensively, or on another distro. I did a migration from Win10 to LM last autumn, and I was genuinely shocked to find that web Outlook and OneDrive work on Firefox on LM. Confirmed that web Excel and Word worked enough to allow display and editing of documents - not an extensive test, but definitely worth a look. Obviously, there are still differences between the web and desktop versions, but it might even be possible to run them under Wine, but I have not tried that, and woudn't expect it to go too well tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) The web versions aren't really professional enough for office usage afaik (and we don't really "buy" microsoft products. And the web version doesn't work that way afaik) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] cybervegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Everyone who uses O365 is pushed to use the web versions by the O365 ecosystem. When you click on Word/Excel/Outlook/whatever from your menu, it opens the web version; to use the locally installed app, you have to go to File/Open in Desktop or similar. The Open and Save dialogs default to using OneDrive - saving to local filesystem requires extra steps. The locally installed ones are becoming increasingly hard to use, by design, and the new features seem to be going into the web versions first and the local versions "eventually". For example, the new excel "matrix" functions did not work in local excel the last time I tried to use them, though they might now, but there were a few features (special formatting I think) that only worked on the local version. Templates for word do not work on the web version. permalink fedilink source parent [β] motogo@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) We're more than 125 000 employees globally using M$ Office 365. It's cheaper, more secure, far superior for collaboration than the locally installed apps IMO. Works on and Linux distro with a JavaScript capable browser. Google suite is even better but the people calling the shots have a fetish for M$. Saying the web versions are not professional is odd. Maybe we just don't share the definition of professional permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago You missed the part where we don't buy microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent [β] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago Yes, the office web apps all work fine inside of Firefox on Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) The web versions aren't really professional enough for office usage afaik (and we don't really "buy" microsoft products. And the web version doesn't work that way afaik) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] cybervegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Everyone who uses O365 is pushed to use the web versions by the O365 ecosystem. When you click on Word/Excel/Outlook/whatever from your menu, it opens the web version; to use the locally installed app, you have to go to File/Open in Desktop or similar. The Open and Save dialogs default to using OneDrive - saving to local filesystem requires extra steps. The locally installed ones are becoming increasingly hard to use, by design, and the new features seem to be going into the web versions first and the local versions "eventually". For example, the new excel "matrix" functions did not work in local excel the last time I tried to use them, though they might now, but there were a few features (special formatting I think) that only worked on the local version. Templates for word do not work on the web version. permalink fedilink source parent [β] motogo@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) We're more than 125 000 employees globally using M$ Office 365. It's cheaper, more secure, far superior for collaboration than the locally installed apps IMO. Works on and Linux distro with a JavaScript capable browser. Google suite is even better but the people calling the shots have a fetish for M$. Saying the web versions are not professional is odd. Maybe we just don't share the definition of professional permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago You missed the part where we don't buy microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cybervegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Everyone who uses O365 is pushed to use the web versions by the O365 ecosystem. When you click on Word/Excel/Outlook/whatever from your menu, it opens the web version; to use the locally installed app, you have to go to File/Open in Desktop or similar. The Open and Save dialogs default to using OneDrive - saving to local filesystem requires extra steps. The locally installed ones are becoming increasingly hard to use, by design, and the new features seem to be going into the web versions first and the local versions "eventually". For example, the new excel "matrix" functions did not work in local excel the last time I tried to use them, though they might now, but there were a few features (special formatting I think) that only worked on the local version. Templates for word do not work on the web version. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] motogo@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) We're more than 125 000 employees globally using M$ Office 365. It's cheaper, more secure, far superior for collaboration than the locally installed apps IMO. Works on and Linux distro with a JavaScript capable browser. Google suite is even better but the people calling the shots have a fetish for M$. Saying the web versions are not professional is odd. Maybe we just don't share the definition of professional permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago You missed the part where we don't buy microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago You missed the part where we don't buy microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 1 point 1 month ago Yes, the office web apps all work fine inside of Firefox on Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Witziger_Waschbaer@feddit.org 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I use a debloated Win11 image for the situations I can't get around it. Still much more resource intensive than Linux, but it's something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -10 points 1 month ago (3 children) Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security. Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, dependencies, fonts, etc. Initial installs make a great first impression, and the rest is blamed on 'your fault', 'pebkac', 'skill issue'. -Because it's a religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if you back your claim "windows has lot more security than linux" with facts and evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent [β] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Windows security has alwaya been laughably bad, and usually just a scam to try to make it harder for users to use other operating systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -8 points 1 month ago Compared to what? You cannot honestly argue that Linux has better security. It's not even a priority of Torvalds and he gets angry about too much security infringing on userspace. Everyone also knows BSD is more secure by default. We're also talking just the kernel with Linux. Add all the 'hobby' type garbage that comes with DEs and you're no longer using a kernel as your propaganda. Windows has improved vastly since the 90s when people just played mild pranks and no one was banking online. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago Your brain lags permalink fedilink source parent
[+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -10 points 1 month ago (3 children) Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security. Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, dependencies, fonts, etc. Initial installs make a great first impression, and the rest is blamed on 'your fault', 'pebkac', 'skill issue'. -Because it's a religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if you back your claim "windows has lot more security than linux" with facts and evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent [β] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Windows security has alwaya been laughably bad, and usually just a scam to try to make it harder for users to use other operating systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -8 points 1 month ago Compared to what? You cannot honestly argue that Linux has better security. It's not even a priority of Torvalds and he gets angry about too much security infringing on userspace. Everyone also knows BSD is more secure by default. We're also talking just the kernel with Linux. Add all the 'hobby' type garbage that comes with DEs and you're no longer using a kernel as your propaganda. Windows has improved vastly since the 90s when people just played mild pranks and no one was banking online. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago Your brain lags permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dismay3915@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if you back your claim "windows has lot more security than linux" with facts and evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -12 points 1 month ago (1 child) I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Oh, so you know how to source something and still refuse to back your claim that Linux is more secure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] osanna@lemmy.vg 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) yeah, you made the claim that windows is more secure. the onus is on you to provide proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] madthumbs@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) You're making a claim, and proof you're wrong is all around you. Sorry, I don't deal with delusional people well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] osanna@lemmy.vg 4 points 1 month ago ah, an ad hominem attack. The first sign you're wrong! I see you're not going to argue in good faith, so good luck to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Windows security has alwaya been laughably bad, and usually just a scam to try to make it harder for users to use other operating systems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -8 points 1 month ago Compared to what? You cannot honestly argue that Linux has better security. It's not even a priority of Torvalds and he gets angry about too much security infringing on userspace. Everyone also knows BSD is more secure by default. We're also talking just the kernel with Linux. Add all the 'hobby' type garbage that comes with DEs and you're no longer using a kernel as your propaganda. Windows has improved vastly since the 90s when people just played mild pranks and no one was banking online. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] madthumbs@lemmy.world -8 points 1 month ago Compared to what? You cannot honestly argue that Linux has better security. It's not even a priority of Torvalds and he gets angry about too much security infringing on userspace. Everyone also knows BSD is more secure by default. We're also talking just the kernel with Linux. Add all the 'hobby' type garbage that comes with DEs and you're no longer using a kernel as your propaganda. Windows has improved vastly since the 90s when people just played mild pranks and no one was banking online. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago Your brain lags permalink fedilink source parent