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Re-writing this whole comment because I can do better.
There was a lot of things that got me to stop being a chud. HBomberguy dunking on Davis Aurini was a big one. But realy the biggest factor was the realization that basically all my friends could be categorized as 'undesireables' and everyone who held the kinds of beliefs I was being fed (i.e. the people it was 'acceptible' for me to hang out with) just rubbed me the wrong way.
That was mostly an internal journey, though, and not what you'd call replicable. A better option would be to show them that their boogeymen are not only stupid (e.g. 'diversity quotas' are basically unenforceable) but actively dangerous (e.g. abandoning the push for diversity would lead to an underclass of minorities ripe for even worse exploitation). Unless they genuinely have no sense of empathy, explaining how their perfect society requires thousands of people (including lots of people they might like) to be put to death
I was under the impression that most chuds already knew that and it was explicitly the point.
Yeah, I realized my comment could be better.
I think there's a distinction between chuds as full-blown fascists. I was most certainly a chud, but I didn't understand the scale of death that had to occur in order for what I saw as an ideal society to exist.
I've talked to leftwing people who fetishize small village communal living to the point where they have a belief that that's the only system that can work. Not quite anarcho primitivism, but definitely technoclast and anti-city.
I try to ask them about how we will get to this system that requires like 50% (or more) fewer people in the world, while pointing out that they will have to die, they say that they're not advocating for their deaths. But like, yeah you are, by ignoring the transition from lots of people to few people, you're not working to keep safe humans that are living!!
Yeah, anarcho-primitivism is a way bigger cognitohazard than we give it credit for. As much as I loved Ishmael by Daniel Quinn, he only scratched the surface of the problems he mentioned and it's incredibly easy to fall from anprim to fascist.