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important rulepost (lemmy.world)
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[–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Killing millions and being dysfunctional are in a different realm of terrible. I'm sorry, but how did you come to the conclusion that they are even comparable?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    hm i wonder if theres any capitalist countries with a history of committing genocide..

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Every genocide can be bad at all the same time. You know?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    yea i know. genocide is never a good thing. no matter who does it. whats ur point?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure about your specific views, but my point is that the genocides carried out by the USSR and by China and by other 'Communist' states are bad, and that they don't become any less bad as a consequence of Capitalism also having carried out genocides.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    i fully agree and im sorry if it came across differently.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    No you're good, just trying to answer.

    edit: Oh and I see where we went wrong, you replied to someone doing a USA whataboutism. I was hunting for tankies in the comments. Should be careful where I point my ATMG - Anti-Tankie Meme Generation.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    lol oki. i decided to stop arguing with the tankies here. i dont wanna legitimize it as a valid position to discuss about.

    dont waste too much time on these fuckers, look after urself too :3

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'm all ears. Please give me a list so I can expand my understanding.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    oh dear here we go. off the top of my head, there is of course, canada, usa (native americans), israel (palestinians), nazi germany (jewish people, PoC, queer people, communists, and a whole bunch of others)(it mightve called itself socialist but was still very much capitalist), china (uyghur people) (also might call itself communist but they literally have billionaires and a fucking stock market, cmon)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I view nazi germany and china quite a bit different from real capitalist societies. Simply having a stock market doesn't mean the markets are free to function as they please.

    I also tend to disagree with canada and usa being genocidial at this point in time. For sure they did horrific things, but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional, as the US country's government is not actively killing a part of their own population.

    What rubs me the wrong way in these conversations is mentioning capitalism as a system that commits the genocide. Both germany and china are/were state driven, and as such the markets didn't really have anything to do with the actions. Instead the genocide is driven by the government that is/was authoritarian, and as such the markets aren't driving the killing.

    The one country I agree with being a free market and genocidial is Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Simply having a stock market doesn't mean the markets are free to function as they please.

    are u saying that government intervention in the "free market" = communism?

    as a reminder, communism is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society.

    also, state intervention in the market does not make a country no longer capitalist, they all have that.

    but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional

    i was just giving u a list of genocidal capitalist countries, i wasnt comparing them with each other.

    many countries are built on genocide thanks to colonialism. canada is one of them, and it has not changed its course

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