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Time to see if Mamdani is a real one or Fake (thelemmy.club)
submitted 3 months ago* by [M] to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
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https://x.com/World_Affairs11/status/2071469557974454444

Israeli PM Netanyahu says he will visit New York city very soon, Claiming that Zohran Mamdani cannot arrest him
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[–] 52 points 3 months ago (11 children)

i know it's probably a joke but do people really expect a mayor to somehow force the cops to arrest a foreign leader who is an ally of the united states which could be considered sedition? the US military will literally hang zohran and all of his staff in times square before they let that happen.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    I don't know I feel like if he ordered it and the cops refused to do it that would be preferable to backing down and not ordering it at all and the most likely resolution is that he orders it and then they book Netanyahu and then he gets out immediately and spends the rest of his life complaining about it which would be very funny.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I think there's a problem that once you order the cops to do a thing and they flat out refuse, it lays bare the kayfabe. Maybe that would be good, actually, but it would mean zero credible leverage with the NYPD ever after. Would make Mamdani look absolutely powerless.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    But if you don't make the order and everyone knows the reason is that the cops might not listen to you, isn't that having the exact same effect of making you look weak?

    Now, Mamdani isn't this guy, the fact that he didn't purge Jessica Tisch on his way in proves as much, but the way a mayor is supposed to impose discipline on the cops is by firing ones who don't listen to them and replacing the leadership with loyalists.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    That's why I called it kayfabe. As long as he doesn't give an order they won't execute, people can pretend the mayor has power over the cops. Once it's out in the open, nobody can pretend. Replacing leadership with communists would be the same exact problem: NYPD is huge and the rank and file would revolt in every imaginable way. The system is resistant to fundamental change.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think if it came down to the NYPD versus Mamdani, Mamdani would be able to leverage his support among New Yorkers to win. But again, he's not that guy.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I don't think he's "that guy" either, but I also don't think there really is a "that guy". If the cops all go on strike or something, the governor (or president) would deploy the national guard (and not to break the strike!).

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    They could try, but I don't believe it would work out well for them.

    If Mamdani gives the order and the NYPD refuses then the NYPD loses their political legitimacy as public servants. Once that's gone they become nothing more than highwaymen and tax collectors, in a big city that hates them.

    If they do follow orders and they get attacked then suddenly Mamdani has control over one of the largest armies in the world.

    If Mamdani backs out then the last shred of good faith people have in the US state dies.

    If Mamdani is martyred...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Realpolitik aside, the US legal system with respect to states rights is pretty weird. New York (the state) might be able to do something like that legally if they can argue jurisdiction or something (not a lawyer) for example claiming injury on behalf of Palestinian New Yorkers.

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