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Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle. A company that sells cameras to catch drivers illegally passing stopped school buses wants to turn them into license plate rea… (www.thedrive.com)
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[–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I do agree with your core idea and yeah we should work towards it, but in the meanwhile we cant ignore current reality either. It will take generations to unroot car centric worldview towards public transport and more people centric worldview and building said infrastructure takes time as well.

In the meanwhile there are people who ignore rules for their own benefit or just not caring and threat of an imminent punishment does reduce the amount of rule breaking until we can get to the society where the punishment is no longer necessary. Yes it's not perfect, it's just a patchwork solution and the efficacy of it can be questionable.

Like the current subject of full on surveillance camera is probably one of the worst and most exploitative ways to get the desired results, but at the same time. It can be rapidly implemented and will scare some people into more careful driving even if just around the bus. Though i assume there probably are some less invasive methods that can be rapidly implemented and will have a similar results, if even necessary at all as i don't have the data regarding how regular this occurance is.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    If your goal is avoiding bad outcomes, you change the environment to avoid bad outcomes.

    Even outside eliminating cars, things like sharp curbs and physically protected bike lanes save lives, especially children's lives. If the goal were saving the lives of children, you do that first. Instead, over my lifetime, I have seen these things disappearing. Literally becoming more dangerous.

    I know you think you're arguing in good faith, but you are a puppet of some seriously malevolent mother fuckers who will endanger children for profit and an excuse to fuck my privacy. Yours too, if you care. Don't tolerate a hand up your ass without at least a little foreplay.

    Edit: change the environment or train people

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I completely agree with you and yes it's a constant struggle against drivers and politicians catering to them to get anything that's even remotely pedestrian friendly.

    The other person out of curiosity did ask the reasoning behind it and i can give one, even though it's from a positive perspective which isn't that accurate for the reason why those cameras have been implement. That doesn't mean that i support it, in every response iv said how those cameras have become the worst ways to control traffic, but i can't deny the beneficial effect of traffic cameras. Those do work, with a huge cost to privacy.
    I've just seen too many drivers slowing down to speed limit when a map says a traffic camera is coming up. Same on intersections, it reduces how many drivers try to slip over when it's "orange"(just turned red). Similar around police (excluding the corruption argument), people start to behave better. So imminent threat of a punishment does have a positive, even if limited, effect.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    And I can get the screw at least partway in if the dildo has a simulated dick hole I can squeeze it with and screw it in with, but relying on individual non-experts who are given no resources or expertise and just punishing them for not spontaneously coordinating while discouraging communication and putting a little Hobbesian wedge in there isn't a good or sane system, you don't get good results, you spend lots of resources.

    Even philosophically; do we think people are hitting kids on their way out of school busses on purpose? Do we teach and refine best practices for avoiding accidental child murder? Or do we just threaten people who don't do the thing and punish them when they don't live up to our standards?

    And crucially, it gives you a lot of latitude to abuse and violate people. Which is the actual goal of every single one of these systems. The dead kids are just an acceptable cost.

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