Modern ICE cars have the exact same telemetry, even at the lower end models now. There are ways to circumvent some of the monitoring by deliberately terminating their antennas however. It really depends on the model though and whatever documentation regular drivers would be willing to share. My EV was modified this way and now I have a tiny reminder on the corner of the console that it can't connect.

This is all a bandaid of course. We either come up with a gray market of workarounds or we demand legislation to remove this shit in a privacy bill. Considering we have a mandate by Congress starting in 2027 to install AI equipped driver facing cameras to disable the car if the driver even vaguely looks incapacitated shows that it would be a massive uphill battle however.

I went from Bentley to cheap dumb cars

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Youre right in that new cars are all shit. But that goes for ICE and EV.

Rolling surveillance mobiles and unrepairable. Total garbage.

Old (note, old to me means 70s or 60s, but I think younger folks now think 90s is old, so I'll go with that) was better in every way. I'll take a 99 civic over any new car today. Though id say about 2012 is peak if you want more comforts (I do not). Really sucks we allowed the government and corporations to fuck up cars so bad.

You wear your ignorance with such pride

My EV has no subscriptions or anything remotely like that

But, you seem quite keen to use "shit I made up" as a reference, so I won't bother engaging with you any more