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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (5 children) EULAs aren't legally binding in sane countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children) Can you name a country where signing up for a paid account to an online service, and using the service and paying the invoice that comes in, doesn't form a legally binding contract between the customer and the vendor? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children) Most countries in the EU don't allow for consumer rights to be overridden by an EULA. Similarly, I can't have a contract with you to murder me. It's illegal and me being a willing participant in it does not make it legal, even if I sign a contract. An EULA is legally binding, but only the parts that aren't in conflict with consumer rights, meaning most of any EULA is going to be invalid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, do these countries also make a contract not to distill LLMs void, as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe not, but this entire sub thread is about trade secrets (which I think we all agree are not relevant here), and not contract law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago Trade secrets necessarily have to be analyzed under the protections of contract law. Something can only be a trade secret if the purported owner of that proprietary information protects the confidentiality of that information, including through contractual restrictions. That's why I'm talking about contracts when asking whether trade secret protections apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children) Can you name a country where signing up for a paid account to an online service, and using the service and paying the invoice that comes in, doesn't form a legally binding contract between the customer and the vendor? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children) Most countries in the EU don't allow for consumer rights to be overridden by an EULA. Similarly, I can't have a contract with you to murder me. It's illegal and me being a willing participant in it does not make it legal, even if I sign a contract. An EULA is legally binding, but only the parts that aren't in conflict with consumer rights, meaning most of any EULA is going to be invalid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, do these countries also make a contract not to distill LLMs void, as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe not, but this entire sub thread is about trade secrets (which I think we all agree are not relevant here), and not contract law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago Trade secrets necessarily have to be analyzed under the protections of contract law. Something can only be a trade secret if the purported owner of that proprietary information protects the confidentiality of that information, including through contractual restrictions. That's why I'm talking about contracts when asking whether trade secret protections apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children) Most countries in the EU don't allow for consumer rights to be overridden by an EULA. Similarly, I can't have a contract with you to murder me. It's illegal and me being a willing participant in it does not make it legal, even if I sign a contract. An EULA is legally binding, but only the parts that aren't in conflict with consumer rights, meaning most of any EULA is going to be invalid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, do these countries also make a contract not to distill LLMs void, as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe not, but this entire sub thread is about trade secrets (which I think we all agree are not relevant here), and not contract law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago Trade secrets necessarily have to be analyzed under the protections of contract law. Something can only be a trade secret if the purported owner of that proprietary information protects the confidentiality of that information, including through contractual restrictions. That's why I'm talking about contracts when asking whether trade secret protections apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, do these countries also make a contract not to distill LLMs void, as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe not, but this entire sub thread is about trade secrets (which I think we all agree are not relevant here), and not contract law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago Trade secrets necessarily have to be analyzed under the protections of contract law. Something can only be a trade secret if the purported owner of that proprietary information protects the confidentiality of that information, including through contractual restrictions. That's why I'm talking about contracts when asking whether trade secret protections apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe not, but this entire sub thread is about trade secrets (which I think we all agree are not relevant here), and not contract law. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago Trade secrets necessarily have to be analyzed under the protections of contract law. Something can only be a trade secret if the purported owner of that proprietary information protects the confidentiality of that information, including through contractual restrictions. That's why I'm talking about contracts when asking whether trade secret protections apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago Trade secrets necessarily have to be analyzed under the protections of contract law. Something can only be a trade secret if the purported owner of that proprietary information protects the confidentiality of that information, including through contractual restrictions. That's why I'm talking about contracts when asking whether trade secret protections apply. permalink fedilink source parent