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Zelenskyy says 'Moscow will burn' if Russian strikes continue (www.abc.net.au)
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[–] 13 points 3 months ago (13 children)

But often also those who fight for their survival survive and are so happy that they are still living, that profit is less important for them.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (12 children)

    sure. i mean that applies to all facets of life these days sadly.

    i just dont “believe” anything about war except profit.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Not even survival?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    working class people and the status of their survival, during war, is largely dismissed by the owning class that is profiting off of said war.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    So they shouldn't fight for their survival, because someone is profiting?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (8 children)

    when did you think i meant that?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I don't know what you're trying to say, but pointing out that some people profit from war doesn't change the fact that many people fight because they want to survive and that they have a legitimate reason to fight and they should do everything to survive.

    Saying that war is about profit is also a superficial statement that doesn't mean anything. You can make everything about profit. Was this war about profit? I think you will find most wars aren't.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Was this war about profit? I think you will find most wars aren't.

    I feel like you're forgetting about Russia. Russia started the war for profit, Ukraine fights back for survival. Most wars are, in fact, started for profit - for one side anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    That's not a good argument, because set so wide you can argue every single thing in our lives and every other life on the planet is about profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Well yes. As opposed to what? No one is starting a war in another country for anything else. That's the thing, you say it's a war for survival, but that's one side of it. The other is, indeed, in it for the profit. Border war is profit, even most of the times when one side says it's for their security. Random land grab is profit. Religion, ethnic cleansing, is profit by influence - some will believe in it, but the ones in power usually don't - they just want the thing that's over there and they don't want others to control it. There are revolutions and wars of independence where people will fight back to free themselves from oppression in their own land, but historically, those are the minorities.

    And no one starts a war because "somebody over there is being insane on their people or others and needs to be removed from power". Not now, not historically.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Yes they are starting for many things else like ideology, pride, hatred, religion,... There where supposedly even been ones for love and betrayal. That's not profit. If you want to play linguistics, maybe you can twist it all somehow into profit, but like I said, you can pretty much do that with everything.

    So profit is not a good argument if you do that. There are many wars that were actually done for profit or at least prolonged because of profit. But the only way you can see Russian invasion of Ukraine in that way is to believe their most hard line propagandists. And I don't and neither should anyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    most wars arent? you’re kidding right? iraq, iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, korea… ok so maybe i mean the US,UK, Israel involvement is always about profit.

    And look the US is involved in the war between ukraine and russia, no?

    there is always profit. while working class people die. convinced they are being helped. defending themselves.

    i wish them the best, of course, but there is no denying it that there is nothing but profit to be had when wars like this have folks like the us convinced they need to help.

    what i am trying to say is that russia will keep going as long as it can, and the us and others will keep pretending to help ukraine until the profit runs out. then more people will die. we can only hope russia will give up first.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    There is profit in everything every day. That doesn't mean the profit is the driving force.

    Ukraine needs to fight to survive. Eu is helping a lot. Not pretending. But giving it means to defend itself. Ukraine has developed it's arms industry and eu is helping with their budget. There is no pretending. It a complicated international situation, but eu doesn't profit, Ukraine doesn't profit, Russia doesn't profit. The only one profiting is the us and nobody is saying they aren't happy with it, but saying they did the whole war is really stupid.

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