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Canada wants to join the age verification bandwagon and censor the internet with Bill C-34 (ca.news.yahoo.com)
submitted 3 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[+] -24 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Unpopular opinion but I support the intent of this bill. Kids shouldn't be exposed to algorithmic content. As it's currently written it looks to be limited to platforms with a certain threshold of users. Which might actually encourage fediverse growth. Any slippery slop argument is silly and just benefits Zuck and friends.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Ok so ban personal recommendation algorithms for everyone. The only thing I'd settle for is an opt-in for it if it requires ID.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    That would be a good option if the social networks didn't have a long history of acting in bad faith. I think it would be an up hill battle. This seems like a reasonable response

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Well, the only solution is horrific mass surveillance then.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Is that seriously your argument? If you're on commercial social media you're already under horrific mass surveillance. Is that you Zuck?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, my argument is that requiring ID for the Internet is really really really fucking stupid

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    my argument is that requiring ID for the Internet is really really really fucking stupid

    How is that argument at all related to this conversation or the bill? What are you talking about? If this bill passes you will not require ID to user the Internet in Canada. Have you read the bill?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago

    They already have your name, phone number, age, gender and face... and are also tracking your every click and interest, every pause on scrolling, hover of your mouse, your relationships, where you were yesterday, the day before, what you buy....

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Kids need parents that dont give them phones and let them browse the internet freely.

    Should we require ID to buy kitchen knives too?

    This will lead to one thing. Mass surveillance. Worse than it already is.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This will lead to one thing. Mass surveillance. Worse than it already is.

    I'm sick of this stupid argument. If you're on commercial social media you're already under mass surveillance FFS 🤦‍♂️ And if you're arguing that now the government will have access to this data, they already do! Social media platforms already know how old you are, they even know when you're taking a shit. It's just not beneficial for them to take any actions to restrict kids from using their platforms because they need the next generation of addicted users.

    Kids need parents that dont give them phones and let them browse the internet freely.

    Commercial social media platform are multi billion dollar companies that have built some of the most sophisticated AI/ML algorithms to get people addicted to their platforms. Do you really think the average parent has a chance here? Then consider the network affect. If most of the kids at school are socializing online on these platforms then restricting your child's access limits their socializing. Social media access for kids needs to be limited by governments.

    Should we require ID to buy kitchen knives too?

    I don't think that would be effective at reducing access for minors given knives are readily available in most kitchens.

    Have you read this bill? Are you sure your opinions haven't been manipulated by social media companies that have lobbied hard and flown influencers around to speak on their behalf?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I haven't read the bill, and I don't use any social media other than this. I'm not going to share too much of my personal information, but I have a feeling I may have more personal experience in some of the areas you're referring to.

    Also you mention if all the other kids have social media or phones or whatever, then some get left out - well what if people became aware/educated and the tables turned?

    My opinions have not been manipulated. I despise social media. I don't have any account except for on here. I just know where this will lead, and I'm not for it.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is about protecting kids as much as Trump was going to clean the "swamp" or release the Epstein files. I have read the bill, and it doesn't matter what it says right now because what you read is not going to be what gets signed into law. By the time it gets on the books it will be a butchered piece of shit that will do the opposite of what it claims it will do now.
    As for your claim that we should all just be happy with government mandated surveillance, well you can just go tell your 3 letter agency overlords that I am not interested. My options to avoid mass surveillance and having my every word and move tracked may be diminishing at an alarming rate, but I am not going to accelerate it's deterioration just because you are a Steve Job fuckboy who puts down your high score in flappy birds under "computer experience" on your resume.

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