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[–] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

One of the largest issues is the American mindset when it comes to buying vehicles. Many people consider all of their needs, even those that might be yearly. Most EVs have the range to handle 99% of most peoples trips, but they consider that last 1% of a yearly road trip when thinking about range. It's one of the reasons that Trucks and SUVs are so popular with their higher capability.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    How can you not consider your all of your needs when buying a vehicle?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You can rent a truck, but owning a truck means you have to pay more to haul around a bunch of stuff you don't need. That's why you shouldn't be worried about every possible thing you might need a vehicle for.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If you haul multiple times a month, perfectly understandable. If you haul things once or twice a year, the $20 rental from your local hardware store is probably more than sufficient for the task. And significantly cheaper, too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    What $20 rental?

    Those do not exist anymore.

    Truck rentals start at $50 now, when all fees are in.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    How the hell are truck rentals so cheap in the US? Vans start at 70 euros here and I have to go the other side of the country because that's where the airport is.

    I get most of my needs done with the much more easily available rental trailers instead. My wagon has a tow hitch for that.

    I am, however, considering an SUV and buying a bigger trailer of my own so I could put more than ~500 kilos on it as that's the limit or the brake less rental trailers. I expect to do a bunch of hauling next few years, major home repairs are in order and I ain't paying other people to do all of it for me. I'll bring my own materials home from the shop and DHL my own work.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Its largely because of volume. They can keep every truck for moving pretty much on the road, all the time.

    Especially around the 1st of the month. You need to reserve at least a month out for a 1st of the month rental.

    Also, we accumulate loads of crap here. I surmise that's less common in your area.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Usually people buy their own home before they start accumulating loads of crap. Nobody wants to drag it from rental to rental.

    For the majority of my 20s I could fit nearly everything into my wagon and with the except of my E-Class, they've all had tow hitches so if I couldn't fit everything in the car, I could just get a trailer too.

    Distances are smaller too, you'd usually never be moving more than 200 km away within the same country, so even doing multiple trips with car is not too bad, you just have a few weeks of overlap between moving in and having to clear out the last place, then you can get it all done and clean up after work and on the weekends

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Home Depot charges 29.99+ a charge per mile. Otherwise I was going to agree with you.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    they do not charge per mile, only time. 75 minutes is $20 or $30 depending on the type of vehicle. A whole day is like $150.

    eg: https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/load-n-go-truck-rental/316822131

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Damn, it’s been a minute since I looked into it but that’s a lot more than it used to be and even furthers the point.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    It's literally less than you just said. $20 for a truck and no mileage charge.

    You're missing the forest for the trees anyway. The point is it's a lot less to pay $20 a few times per year than it is to pay thousands more for a full sized truck instead of a car.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    How is $150 for a day less than $30 + (60miles x .50¢ a mile)??? You would need to go 240 miles for that to be more which even in my state is further than the next nearest Home Depot.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Since when are we talking about an entire day's worth of hauling? People need a truck to pick up a TV or couch from Costco that takes well under 75 minutes.

    Also, you don't have to go to home depot, I was just correcting what you said about their pricing.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    You didn’t answer my question. It doesn’t matter how long you have it that’s still more expensive than it used to be unless you can get your hauling done in less time than it takes to watch The Lion King. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to argue at this point.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Home Depot fucking sucks, then. Menard's has a $0.50 per mile charge, $19 for 75 minutes, $6 for each additional 15 min

    The difference in price between a sedan and a truck is like $400-500 annually

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    OMG, this is ludicrous! $60+ for a couple of hauls a year!!! How dare they!!!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    If you live right next-door to the Home Depot then sure, if you live in a town like the one I grew up in and it has no Lowe’s or Home Depot or other car rental place even though it has 16,000 people and a college in it then no not at all.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    It's more over-weighting rare long road trips compared to everyday use. People are terrified of having to spend an extra 30 minutes charging an EV on a road trip, but don't think about all the time they can save on a weekly basis by never having to go to a gas station, or never having to get oil changes, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    ¿Por qué no los dos? I own an EV for city driving, but I also own a gas car for road trips.

    having to spend an extra 30 minutes charging an EV on a road trip

    I've taken the EV on road trips a hand full of times and sometimes it was just 30 minutes. Other times, it was waaay longer than that because there were 5 charging stations, but, surprise, 2 of them are broken and the rest have long lines of cars waiting.

    Personally, I find those situations pretty stressful, so I don't take the EV for road trips now.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Newer EVs use NACS, which opens up a huge number of fast DC chargers all across the interstate system. Unfortunately those chargers are almost all Tesla superchargers, and we all wish there was a less musky alternative out there.

    I've taken a road trip in the new NIssan Leaf, which has NACS. It wasn't bad; we had to stop for ~30 minutes every ~300 miles, which lines up with just about how often my aging body needs to go pee these days...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "Consider", yes. But buy based on every need, no.

    I go skiing once per year. Should I buy a vehicle with all-wheel drive just to satisfy that one need? Of course not.

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    Because much of the stated reason for EVs is the money you'll save on fuel and maintenance costs, so spending extra money on something you'll use once per year doesn't fit the money saving narrative.

    Ultimately, what I and the other commenter is saying is a once a year "need" really isn't a need at all. To further my example, if I lived in the snow or traveled there regularly, then AWD is likely a reasonable expense, but if very rarely used it would make more sense to rent/borrow. Same goes for a truck (for hauling), or gasoline car for the range.

    I drive an EV now and my next car will likely be an ICE AWD vehicle. But I'm also aware that it's not the most economically sound decision and I'd be buying it for fun. Under no circumstances would I be justifying it by the longer range (which I very seldom need) or to travel to the snow.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Trucks and SUVs are popular because they can be made cheaper due to government subsidies and lax emissions laws that exempt them.

    That's on top of the massive tariff in place for any truck imported into the US. Its a main reason the Big 3 basically stopped making sedans.

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