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[–] 20 points 3 months ago (38 children)

it would go away instantly if the succ faction of the US left would stop defending him

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago* (31 children)

    That's not what is relevant about him. Discussing any electoralism anywhere in this country is a waste of time for everyone invovled. The reason why he's worth discussing is because it outs closet nazis and chauvinists. Anyone who defends Platner and says stuff like "I don't care what he thinks, as long as he votes for healthcare!" can be placed on a list for re-education or wall after the revolution. Discussing him is helpful in left spaces for identifying those in need of education and bullying. Every person defending him would vote for Hitler. He's a literal litmus test for identifying AOCIA types and social fascists.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago* (28 children)

    DOES NOT MATTER. VOTING DOES NOT MATTER.

    What matters is "socialists" burning their reputations to uphold a literal Nazi war criminal for NO REASON. The problem is people here, and in other left spaces, making up excuses for nazism. What matters is the huge portion of the "western left" who are actual social fascists, and this is a very easy way to tell them apart from the real ones.

    What matters is that every "socialist" in America pushing Platner needs to be added to a list of DO NOT TRUST.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (26 children)

    The relevant discussion around Platner in socialist spaces like this isn't "should we vote for him or not". It's obvious that we should not even if we were doing electoralism as a strategy, which we should not. The relevant discussion around Platner is "he's a social fascist. Anyone defending him here needs immediate re-education or ban or wholesale mockery and derision".

    You and the electoralist social fascists keep trying to make the discussion the first thing, when in fact it's the latter. The discussions will keep happening until everyone accepts the latter and squishies here either learn and grow, or leave to find a nazi echo-chamber where they can do third-way liberal-fascist neo-bernardism without the cynical tankie "doomers" criticizing their fourth reich attempts.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children)

    So you agree he's a social fascist, but you find your fellow travelers defending him acceptable or boring? I don't find that boring, I find that extremely important, fundamental to the left's failures, disgusting and sickening and worthy of a fucking inquisition. It makes me not want to participate in the western left ever again and just go full on third worldist, because it shows western leftoids are basically all one step away from Hitlerism and have no international solidarity whatsoever. All the new Hitler has to do is offer up free healthcare and it's a done deal, they all fall into line with the genocidal Democrat Party yet again.

    Just a list of Western "leftists" who have defended Platner and downplayed being a Nazi mercenary:

    Hasan Piker

    Chapo Trap House

    Democracy Now

    The Young Turks

    The Majority Report

    Ryan Grim / Drop Site News

    The Intercept

    Jacobin Magazine

    Current Affairs Magazine

    Bernie Sanders / The Squad / AOC

    Indivisible / Justice Democrats / every other Berniecrat PAC or organization

    Literally the only "popular" leftoids pushing back on Platner was BadEmpanada and Brace Belden.

    These are the most important figures of the "western left" such as it is. They ALL endorsed a Hitlerite. They ALL are completely untrustworthy. They're not just "imperfect allies" they are literally stating, loud and clear, that they are our class enemies. They are the "imperfect allies" of the Democrats and Republicans who would happily see us dead.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (15 children)

    Literally the only "popular" leftoids pushing back on Platner was BadEmpanada and Brace Belden.

    I agreed with you right up to here. First of all you do not have to hand it to BadEmpanada and he is in no way left. Also anyone that uses the "oid" suffix is very sus. Go the fuck out side dude.

    These are the most important figures of the "western left" such as it is.

    This is terminally online brainrot. These are not the "most important figures" anywhere in any sense. This is what happens when you are too terminally online.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (14 children)

    I agreed with you right up to here. First of all you do not have to hand it to BadEmpanada and he is in no way left. Also anyone that uses the "oid" suffix is very sus. Go the fuck out side dude.

    I will keep saying leftoid until the leftoids improve. They do not get the courtesy of even being called leftist. Hilarious to say I'M the sus one when there's people in this thread downplaying and defending NAZISM. Explicitly.

    Isn't is damning how BE was better on this subject than half this website and the entirety of the American "left"? That just further proves my point of how pathetic they are.

    This is terminally online brainrot. These are not the "most important figures" anywhere in any sense. This is what happens when you are too terminally online.

    Bernie Sanders, nearly every single "leftist" media organization and all of the most popular "leftist" entertainers is not "online brainrot" it's the entire "left". There is no offline non-brain rotten western left, it doesn't exist. There's bernard staffers and hangers-on and there's online radlibs. That's it. Opportunists and their audience, made perfectly for each other.

    And before you go there, yes actual principled commie groups do technically exist, I'm being a bit loose with "doesn't exist" to just mean "is insignificantly small". I'm in one of them. All of the organizations and streamers and politicians I mentioned are like 100 times more popular and bigger than our organization. We might as well not even exist, we're 0.00001% of the country.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    I will keep saying leftoid until the leftoids improve. They do not get the courtesy of even being called leftist. Hilarious to say I'M the sus one when there's people in this thread downplaying and defending NAZISM. Explicitly.

    Anyone using 4chan incel lingo is sus. That's a you problem. Sure fuck the people downplaying the danger presented by people like Platner but also fuck people using 4chan lingo to be edgy like you are doing. It makes you sound childish. Nobody talks like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (12 children)

    Westoid and leftoid both have tens of thousands of hits on this website when I hit search. -oid far predates 4chan and simply means “pertaining to, loosely”. Go have your language domination games somewhere else please and stop trying to derail the more important subject at hand

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (11 children)

    Yes and I hate seeing it. It also has eugenics roots if you look up the term "removed". Weird hill to die on while praising fuckin BadEmpanada of all people. Mongol with the suffix is rightly in the slur filter.

    My point is you should present your point without using language derived from 4chan Nazis.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I hate BadEmpanada, I called him a leftoid as well if you re-read my comment. Does that make it sound like I respect his opinion or profession? I used him to demonstrate how fucked the situation is when even he is way better than basically every single 'leftist' politician, political organization and cultural commentator.

    It's like you aren't following how language is used and works or something. You have weird prescriptivist views that follow from your word policing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (9 children)

    The suffix -oid means "resembling," "like," or "having the form of". It is often used to denote something that looks or behaves similarly to something else, but is fundamentally distinct (e.g., humanoid, asteroid). Ancient Greek Root: It originates from the Greek word eîdos (εἶδος), meaning "form," "shape," or "likeness". Etymological Evolution: In Greek, it combined with connecting vowels to form the suffix -oeidēs. This evolved into the Latinized form -oīdēs and eventually became the modern English suffix -oid. Historically and currently, this suffix is heavily utilized in mathematics, the sciences, and medical terminology (e.g., cuboid, spheroid, adenoid) to describe geometric shapes, organic structures, and classification

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    When used to describe people it literally comes from skull measuring and referring to autistic people as having asiatic features. Idk why you cling to a shitty 4chan in incel term so much but you do you guy.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    It predates that by thousands of years…

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Now who's being prescriptivist? You seriously need to either do a tiny little bit of self crit, or just stop talking to me. The only one derailing this thread is you by doubling down on your beloved 4chan speak. I am done with you.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    i was owning you by your own logic. You picked the dictionary etymology side instead of the use-case descriptivist side, and you don't even have the high ground to stand on for it. Do the origins of things matter or not? You cherry picking an arbitrary use case is not meaningful. Stop saying asteroids and humanoids

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    The use-case is that it was picked up by 4chan Nazis. Femoid, leftoid, etc. all are derived from its eugenicist useage. Please fuck off. I said I was done with you. "Owned you with facts and logic!" do you even hear yourself? I pity your org for having to put up with you.

    Stop saying asteroids and humanoids

    jagoff

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    you are the one that decided to pull out a dictionary to hit me with, now you're crying that i'm a nerd for using it against you. I'm referencing your own debate tendencies. Despite fundamentally agreeing with me on the subject of the thread, the actual important conversation, you instead decide to pick a fight and derail to imply i'm 'sus' for using words of the english language. Guess what it's a language of colonizing genociders. Everything is covered in blood, everything was used by racists once. I just really don't think you ever follow this logic to its end, it's like a dogma of in-group shaming. It comes off as hokey and fake to outsiders who don't buy into all the contrivances and leaps and associations.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Everything is covered in blood, everything was used by racists once.

    This is a cop-out. I am more than done with you. Please fuck off and stop talking to me.

    the actual important conversation

    The important conversation about electoralism in Maine? Get the fuck over yourself you self important little dweeb. We have comrades on this site subject to actual persecution and here you are fucking whining about someone politely asking you not to use genocidal language to make your nominally anti-genocide point.

    I actually fucking hate people like you. Just stick to what is left of the "left" on reddit because that is what you fucking sound like.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    What, ILF being completely too online and over-escalating the importance of minor political occurrence? Thank God the sky is blue. It's the same thing with CM being "pivoting around electoralism and a million false promises is better than a rabid Zionist" as if the entire U.S. government isn't full of rabid zionists.

    Genuinely, truely, pathetic, all of it. If I hadn't seen worse in the past it would almost make me consider leaving.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Next time if he's so boring to you, just don't say anything at all? Would be better than coming in and saying "I don't care about Nazis being openly accepted among all of our supposed 'allies' actually, it's boring".

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Don't know who that is. Would they correctly admonish users for defending or being apathetic to Nazism? If so, sure!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    dunno if that's it, but there's something in the water and everyone is sippin'. That's for sure.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    And yet the western left doesn't spend 2 seconds before condemning Hamas.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Many on this site did. People who are now mods called Hamas and Hezbollah fascist on October 1, 2023. They were upvoted and the person they argued against was permanent banned.

    https://hexbear.net/comment/4036177

    In addition, people who have defended Mamdani, AOC, Platner and Sanders and electoralism generally remain a large part of the userbase who only sour long after the obvious occurs.

    https://hexbear.net/post/6442067

    Just search Mamdani or Fetterman or Platner in search, sort by old, and you'll see what I'm talking about. Originally these people were popular to mildly controversial and anybody calling them out was seen as a "crank".

    There was contentious threads on Platner on this site with struggle session rainbow lines and hundreds of comments. People arguing seriously that he didn’t know about the Nazi tattoo he got in Croatia.

    https://hexbear.net/post/6495410

    Are we going to look inwards about this type of chauvinistic behavior? Can we reflect or just continue being smug and pretending we were always correct and didn’t repeatedly ban and ostracize the people who were actually correct.

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