▲ 390 ▼ Gabe Newell on Steam monopoly accusations: Gamers have 'enormous choice' about where to buy games (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 3 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 233 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] msage@programming.dev 25 points 3 months ago (9 children) It's absolutely worth the cut they take. Ask every developer and publisher. It's hard getting recognized outside Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (8 children) It's hard getting recognized on steam too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (7 children) Try going to any other platform and tell me how much better it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io -4 points 3 months ago (6 children) 95% of the players on pc are on steam, if you don't publish your game there you're just shooting yourself in the foot - this has very little to do with the quality of the service valve provides and everything to do about their monopoly on the market. Would devs like to pay a smaller cut to valve? Sure, but it's just the cost of doing business, you go where your customers are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (3 children) Customers flock to valve because it's more than a storefront. It eliminates the needs for everything else, no need for discord, forums, lfg pages, recording software, controller mapping software, 3rd party mod hosting, mod managers, etc etc etc. look at how much further Valve has pushed Linux and Linux support in gaming than anyone imagined possible. Look at their return policy, absolutely no other storefront is that consumer friendly. 30% is industry standard, get mad at the storefronts that are just storefronts as well as steam or you're just sounding like Tim Sweeney on another unhinged nepo baby rant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] imecth@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (2 children) 30% is industry standard It was an industry standard, that's been changing for a while, just take a look at how much fire google and apple are taking over their stores. but valve are good and kind and shit rainbows so they deserve money Valve is a corporation, it might be less bad than the rest, but at the end of the day gabe is still sifting mai thais on his 500 million dollars yacht. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago Because they provide a lot of value. It's not like GoG or EGS are better stores that can't get traffic. In fact, if anyone actually put enough money and created a store with better moderation, people would be more than happy to use it. It's just that there is none. Not because they lack users, but features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago their monopoly on the market Should Steam be doing something differently in order to not be a monopoly? Their competitors being shit doesn't make Steam a Monopoly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (8 children) It's hard getting recognized on steam too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (7 children) Try going to any other platform and tell me how much better it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io -4 points 3 months ago (6 children) 95% of the players on pc are on steam, if you don't publish your game there you're just shooting yourself in the foot - this has very little to do with the quality of the service valve provides and everything to do about their monopoly on the market. Would devs like to pay a smaller cut to valve? Sure, but it's just the cost of doing business, you go where your customers are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (3 children) Customers flock to valve because it's more than a storefront. It eliminates the needs for everything else, no need for discord, forums, lfg pages, recording software, controller mapping software, 3rd party mod hosting, mod managers, etc etc etc. look at how much further Valve has pushed Linux and Linux support in gaming than anyone imagined possible. Look at their return policy, absolutely no other storefront is that consumer friendly. 30% is industry standard, get mad at the storefronts that are just storefronts as well as steam or you're just sounding like Tim Sweeney on another unhinged nepo baby rant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] imecth@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (2 children) 30% is industry standard It was an industry standard, that's been changing for a while, just take a look at how much fire google and apple are taking over their stores. but valve are good and kind and shit rainbows so they deserve money Valve is a corporation, it might be less bad than the rest, but at the end of the day gabe is still sifting mai thais on his 500 million dollars yacht. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago Because they provide a lot of value. It's not like GoG or EGS are better stores that can't get traffic. In fact, if anyone actually put enough money and created a store with better moderation, people would be more than happy to use it. It's just that there is none. Not because they lack users, but features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago their monopoly on the market Should Steam be doing something differently in order to not be a monopoly? Their competitors being shit doesn't make Steam a Monopoly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (7 children) Try going to any other platform and tell me how much better it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io -4 points 3 months ago (6 children) 95% of the players on pc are on steam, if you don't publish your game there you're just shooting yourself in the foot - this has very little to do with the quality of the service valve provides and everything to do about their monopoly on the market. Would devs like to pay a smaller cut to valve? Sure, but it's just the cost of doing business, you go where your customers are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (3 children) Customers flock to valve because it's more than a storefront. It eliminates the needs for everything else, no need for discord, forums, lfg pages, recording software, controller mapping software, 3rd party mod hosting, mod managers, etc etc etc. look at how much further Valve has pushed Linux and Linux support in gaming than anyone imagined possible. Look at their return policy, absolutely no other storefront is that consumer friendly. 30% is industry standard, get mad at the storefronts that are just storefronts as well as steam or you're just sounding like Tim Sweeney on another unhinged nepo baby rant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] imecth@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (2 children) 30% is industry standard It was an industry standard, that's been changing for a while, just take a look at how much fire google and apple are taking over their stores. but valve are good and kind and shit rainbows so they deserve money Valve is a corporation, it might be less bad than the rest, but at the end of the day gabe is still sifting mai thais on his 500 million dollars yacht. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago Because they provide a lot of value. It's not like GoG or EGS are better stores that can't get traffic. In fact, if anyone actually put enough money and created a store with better moderation, people would be more than happy to use it. It's just that there is none. Not because they lack users, but features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago their monopoly on the market Should Steam be doing something differently in order to not be a monopoly? Their competitors being shit doesn't make Steam a Monopoly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] imecth@fedia.io -4 points 3 months ago (6 children) 95% of the players on pc are on steam, if you don't publish your game there you're just shooting yourself in the foot - this has very little to do with the quality of the service valve provides and everything to do about their monopoly on the market. Would devs like to pay a smaller cut to valve? Sure, but it's just the cost of doing business, you go where your customers are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (3 children) Customers flock to valve because it's more than a storefront. It eliminates the needs for everything else, no need for discord, forums, lfg pages, recording software, controller mapping software, 3rd party mod hosting, mod managers, etc etc etc. look at how much further Valve has pushed Linux and Linux support in gaming than anyone imagined possible. Look at their return policy, absolutely no other storefront is that consumer friendly. 30% is industry standard, get mad at the storefronts that are just storefronts as well as steam or you're just sounding like Tim Sweeney on another unhinged nepo baby rant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] imecth@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (2 children) 30% is industry standard It was an industry standard, that's been changing for a while, just take a look at how much fire google and apple are taking over their stores. but valve are good and kind and shit rainbows so they deserve money Valve is a corporation, it might be less bad than the rest, but at the end of the day gabe is still sifting mai thais on his 500 million dollars yacht. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago Because they provide a lot of value. It's not like GoG or EGS are better stores that can't get traffic. In fact, if anyone actually put enough money and created a store with better moderation, people would be more than happy to use it. It's just that there is none. Not because they lack users, but features. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago their monopoly on the market Should Steam be doing something differently in order to not be a monopoly? Their competitors being shit doesn't make Steam a Monopoly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 months ago (3 children) Customers flock to valve because it's more than a storefront. It eliminates the needs for everything else, no need for discord, forums, lfg pages, recording software, controller mapping software, 3rd party mod hosting, mod managers, etc etc etc. look at how much further Valve has pushed Linux and Linux support in gaming than anyone imagined possible. Look at their return policy, absolutely no other storefront is that consumer friendly. 30% is industry standard, get mad at the storefronts that are just storefronts as well as steam or you're just sounding like Tim Sweeney on another unhinged nepo baby rant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] imecth@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (2 children) 30% is industry standard It was an industry standard, that's been changing for a while, just take a look at how much fire google and apple are taking over their stores. but valve are good and kind and shit rainbows so they deserve money Valve is a corporation, it might be less bad than the rest, but at the end of the day gabe is still sifting mai thais on his 500 million dollars yacht. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] imecth@fedia.io -6 points 3 months ago (2 children) 30% is industry standard It was an industry standard, that's been changing for a while, just take a look at how much fire google and apple are taking over their stores. but valve are good and kind and shit rainbows so they deserve money Valve is a corporation, it might be less bad than the rest, but at the end of the day gabe is still sifting mai thais on his 500 million dollars yacht. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Complaining about a billionaire sipping drinks on a yacht while screaming and crying to defend the billionaire CEOs at the publishing companies that have shit all over every developer and consumer in the industry is certainly an interesting position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago I never mentioned publishers, in fact indies do not even have publishers. Can you stop with this whataboutism ? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 months ago Because they provide a lot of value. It's not like GoG or EGS are better stores that can't get traffic. In fact, if anyone actually put enough money and created a store with better moderation, people would be more than happy to use it. It's just that there is none. Not because they lack users, but features. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago their monopoly on the market Should Steam be doing something differently in order to not be a monopoly? Their competitors being shit doesn't make Steam a Monopoly. permalink fedilink source parent