▲ 1387 ▼ Hawaii just entirely removed corporations' power to spend money in politics. This could be a game changer for US democracy. (www.youtube.com) submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Canconda@lemmy.ca to c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world 180 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://www.americanprogress.org/article/addressing-questions-surrounding-hawaiis-bold-move-to-undo-citizens-united/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYSEGhzgHKv/ CONTACT YOUR STATE LEVEL REPRESENTATIVE NOW!! https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders
[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child) https://youtu.be/oBGpEcPrbso?t=212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Sure but the current supreme court is openly corrupt. But who knows how far they are willing to go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Fully agree. But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? Constitutional power is fundamentally different from the legal precedents SCOTUS has been overturning. Violating the constitutional right of a state could set a new precedent of State Supreme Courts ruling SCOTUS decisions illegitimate -based on constructional law. I just don't see what SCOTUS can do about it other than wag their corrupt fingers in the air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? When it comes to the federal government, the answer to "what are they gonna do about it?" is basically always "They're going to use violence." Bush and Obama both raided cannabis dispensaries in legal states. Granted I'm not sure exactly what they'd target in this case and it would create even more public backlash, so maybe there's a chance that this change survives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) POTUS has already played that card and the American people saw right through it. like how is SCOTUS going to force the 4th and 12th largest economies in the world (California & New York) to do anything? Especially if other states join them. If they use Economic retribution Canada will step the fuck in and make exclusive trade deals. IMO if states wanted to repel federal agencies, they could. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) You could be right... but as a Californian, I'd never underestimate Gavin Newsom's spinelessness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) Sure but the current supreme court is openly corrupt. But who knows how far they are willing to go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Fully agree. But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? Constitutional power is fundamentally different from the legal precedents SCOTUS has been overturning. Violating the constitutional right of a state could set a new precedent of State Supreme Courts ruling SCOTUS decisions illegitimate -based on constructional law. I just don't see what SCOTUS can do about it other than wag their corrupt fingers in the air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? When it comes to the federal government, the answer to "what are they gonna do about it?" is basically always "They're going to use violence." Bush and Obama both raided cannabis dispensaries in legal states. Granted I'm not sure exactly what they'd target in this case and it would create even more public backlash, so maybe there's a chance that this change survives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) POTUS has already played that card and the American people saw right through it. like how is SCOTUS going to force the 4th and 12th largest economies in the world (California & New York) to do anything? Especially if other states join them. If they use Economic retribution Canada will step the fuck in and make exclusive trade deals. IMO if states wanted to repel federal agencies, they could. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) You could be right... but as a Californian, I'd never underestimate Gavin Newsom's spinelessness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Fully agree. But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? Constitutional power is fundamentally different from the legal precedents SCOTUS has been overturning. Violating the constitutional right of a state could set a new precedent of State Supreme Courts ruling SCOTUS decisions illegitimate -based on constructional law. I just don't see what SCOTUS can do about it other than wag their corrupt fingers in the air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? When it comes to the federal government, the answer to "what are they gonna do about it?" is basically always "They're going to use violence." Bush and Obama both raided cannabis dispensaries in legal states. Granted I'm not sure exactly what they'd target in this case and it would create even more public backlash, so maybe there's a chance that this change survives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) POTUS has already played that card and the American people saw right through it. like how is SCOTUS going to force the 4th and 12th largest economies in the world (California & New York) to do anything? Especially if other states join them. If they use Economic retribution Canada will step the fuck in and make exclusive trade deals. IMO if states wanted to repel federal agencies, they could. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) You could be right... but as a Californian, I'd never underestimate Gavin Newsom's spinelessness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) But what is the enforcement mechanism for SCOTUS to make the states repeal these laws if they indeed pass them? When it comes to the federal government, the answer to "what are they gonna do about it?" is basically always "They're going to use violence." Bush and Obama both raided cannabis dispensaries in legal states. Granted I'm not sure exactly what they'd target in this case and it would create even more public backlash, so maybe there's a chance that this change survives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) POTUS has already played that card and the American people saw right through it. like how is SCOTUS going to force the 4th and 12th largest economies in the world (California & New York) to do anything? Especially if other states join them. If they use Economic retribution Canada will step the fuck in and make exclusive trade deals. IMO if states wanted to repel federal agencies, they could. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) You could be right... but as a Californian, I'd never underestimate Gavin Newsom's spinelessness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child) POTUS has already played that card and the American people saw right through it. like how is SCOTUS going to force the 4th and 12th largest economies in the world (California & New York) to do anything? Especially if other states join them. If they use Economic retribution Canada will step the fuck in and make exclusive trade deals. IMO if states wanted to repel federal agencies, they could. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) You could be right... but as a Californian, I'd never underestimate Gavin Newsom's spinelessness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) You could be right... but as a Californian, I'd never underestimate Gavin Newsom's spinelessness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago Newsome is a gormless coward but the state Congress is actually relatively progressive and has some amount of collective spine. Hell if that piss weasel Bianco or what's his name win there's a solid chance the California Congress would just impeach day one. The only reason Bianco probably isn't in a cell is because the Sheriff's have way too much leeway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -2 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Well I guess it's up to you Californians to bend his spine in your favour. https://www.ncsl.org/legislative-leaders/state-legislative-leaders Regardless, not trying plays into the favour of the corporate fascists. What do we have to lose if this doesn't work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) If by "you Californians" you mean "the Californians with money", sure, but that's not me. He vetoed unemployment pay for striking workers and vetoed the decriminalization of psychedelics. You think he represents his constituents? Then you don't know California lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca [S] -4 points 3 months ago* Fair point. What I mean is that I'm pretty sure this is a state legislature thing not a governor thing. Like yea he could veto it but I don't think he would if the bill actually passed. permalink fedilink source parent