I often use the big mixer with the dough hook because I don't have time, but the no kneading just mix, rest for 15-45 minutes then stretch & fold every half hour is so pleasant. Feeling the dough develop, getting lighter and stronger each time, not really counting the rounds because it tells me when it's ready to be left alone to rise. It's a very enjoyable process, and more reliable for me than a more standardized method.