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This is how the ruling class was ACTUALLY planning to solve the climate crisis. (thelemmy.club)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by to c/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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TESCREALISM is a billionaire ideology which aims to create super-intelligent AI as a "worthy successor to humanity".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TESCREAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1dIC287Zz0

The ruling class is most likely gonna put particles into the atmosphere to cool down the planet (With unforeseeable consequences for the rest of us of course) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection

They put "AI data-center" satellites into the orbit that so they can continue their pursuit of super-intelligent AI even after fucking the sky. In addition, the reentry of said satellites has the potential to destroy the ozone layer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKK0dgDIxKY

We are almost certainly gonna experience societal collapse within our lifetime.

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[–] 32 points 3 months ago (17 children)

their "Geoengineering" is 100% a bullshit scam

they know it won't work, they know it's a distraction.

just like Elon pushed the hyperloop, and with barely any investment, blocked high speed rail being constructed in California. Because why would a car salesman want trains.

Same with carbon capture, which ended up funnelling public investments into gas extraction.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    the "satellite data centers" is a scam as well, it makes no fucking economical or technological sense, so good news, we can all calm down 😂 some bad billionaire's fanfic is not necessarily the future of humanity.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I'm still amazed anyone takes that seriously.

    Even if you can somehow solve the heat problem...

    Data Centers on Earth need maintenance. Onsite personnel.

    What we're gonna space bus up astronaut/it specialists, just, on a regular basis?

    ... We're gonna have humanoid robot technicians?

    Or what, just grow short lived human clones like fucking Blade Runner or Moon, who 'think' they're real people, but are actually just an orbital slave caste?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    didn't Microsoft try to submerge data centers, same principle of unmanned remote data centers but orders of magnitude easier in every aspect, no rockets, no cosmic radiation, no heat problems... and it completely failed, similar when artic data centers.

    the only appeal is that if they succeed in making unstaffed remote datacentres, they can still use their cloud services from their bunkers after society collapses.

    just because they destroyed the planet doesn't mean they don't want to ask chatgpt to make them pictures of themselves as jesus.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I hadn't heard of MSFT doing that, but I could swear I just read about China trying this.

    Wouldn't surprise me that either actually are or are at least trying to.

    Of course... then... you're just dumping a heat generator... into an already warming ocean.

    So... thats maybe not great.

    Bioshock! But data centers.

    Yeah, underwater welding is not exactly safe or easy....

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It'll make sense once people start demolishing AI data centers on earth.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    no, it won't, the problems are still there. lifting anything to orbit is incredibly expensive, communication with it hard, cooling somewhere between highly complicated and impossible, and maintenance still impossible.

    it will be a lot easier to just start shooting into people trying to demolish the data center on earth.

    the problem and perceived solution is a lot like this:

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes, but billionaires completely fail to understand or refuse to accept that they are living on earth off the rest of us.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    whether they do or don't, i fail to see how it connects to discussed problem. they are fucking greedy sociopaths, they are not going to do something that is technologically impossible and would lose them money.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Shit, that makes things even worse.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    They are aware of the damage they are doing the the planet, they are well aware of the human misery they are creating, and invest in ways to get away with it (proving they know about it).

    Every single billionaire is a sociopath and belongs in a mental institution for being a danger to others. Possibly the most "danger to others" in human history.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Cloud seeding is a real thing, that the US government (and probably a few others) uses as a weapon, and does not like to talk about.

    'Chemtrails' aren't real, the idea of ... basically all contrails (natural condensation trails) are laced with zany chemicals that make the frogs gay or whatever...

    But cloud seeding has been a thing since Vietnam, you move moisture around at ... well small scales in terms of the global weather system, but roughly regional / area of operations scales... cause floods or landslides in one area, droughts in others.

    But uh yeah... yeah, geoengineering is ... not a great plan, generally speaking.

    At this point, the only thing that I can think of that might make some sense would be throwing up a stupendous amount of solar arrays at the L1 Lagrange point between the Sun and Earth.

    Theoretically you could gather and store solar energy, use it as a kind of gas station in space.

    And it could block out some radiance from the sun, and if you had a managed cluster sitting there, you could theoretically manage it over time.

    ... But this would require an utterly stupendous level of orbital engineering, that we are currently no where near.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I'm sure launching a solar array to block part of the Sun would generate enough CO2 to offset the whole effort.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    ... Defintiely a thing to be concerned about, but I feel like it at least might be possible for the basics to pencil out toward 'actually makes sense', if you can make a heavy lift vehicle that 'exhales' not CO2.

    Like, if you use LOX and LH2... that produces primarily water vapor.

    Once upon a time we actually tried to make an actual 'space ship', an SSTO, reusable, heavy lift vehicle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VentureStar

    Got cancelled because it was decided that this project needed to be a testbed for a whole bunch of experimental components and component manufacturing tech all at the same time, and well the fancy pantsy composite honeycomb tank didn't work out.

    The engineers proposed a replacement with more standard fuel tank construction and construction methods... but that got kiboshed for some reason, and then the whole project got axed.

    And then not long after that, we decided that actually we should just throw money at SpaceX, basically.

    So with that plan we're now 4 years behind scheduled delivery (and counting) and still have yet to generate a heavy lift vehicle that achieves orbit, but it has produced a lot of... large explosions, mostly, and OSHA and EPA violations.

    =D

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Making those fuels request lots of energy (at least the energy that goes out), so unless that energy is produced with renewable resources, the CO2 footprint might actually be higher (as processes aren't 100% effective, making fuel takes more energy than the fuel has).

    only possible way to make it worse is with space mining and manufacturers, but we're too far away from that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah thats true too, and... thats a lot of math to do, to try and estimate that.

    And also yep, might make more sense if we actually had some kind of asteroid refining ability... but we do not.

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