▲ 270 ▼ Microsoft reports AI is more expensive than paying human employees (fortune.com) submitted 4 months ago by rssbot@lemmy.bestiver.se [M, B] to c/hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments Comments
[–] kiku@feddit.org 53 points 4 months ago (10 children) That may be true, but a human will also do a better job. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] tja@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 months ago (6 children) That does not have to be true. A human can also do a very bad job if they want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (5 children) However, humans can be fired, but Claude cannot. Humans are also more capable of generalized learning and following procedures meant to increase quality. Moreover, quantity of human output is roughly proportional to skill in aggregate, which can limit the damage that can result from incompetence if correct safeguards and procedures are put in place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) This seems a temporary issue. AI is heuristic, afaik. If the bubble burst doesn't sink it, it will steadily improve until companies decide it's more profitable to make it worse. This is, of course, presuming the goal isn't to dumb down westerners even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure this is actually true. Technical debt can increase the amount of tokens that are needed to make changes to a codebase, and that will stay unless the models get good enough to rewrite the code completely while improving the architecture. Companies can believe what they want but profit is derived from the socially necessary human labor required to make a product. If the social necessity tends to zero because of AI, people will be able to use AI to make their own version of whatever software they need and it will not be needed to pay a company for it. But the most likely scenario in my opinion is huge codebases that induce more demand for tokens as models become cheaper to run, which means the cost savings may not actually materialize. Still, it is hard to say for sure at this stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) I guess we'll see soon enough! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 4 months ago On these wages? permalink fedilink source parent [+] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago I really want to downvote you, but yes, if you pay people peanuts and treat them like shit, they don't give you their best. AI doesn't have that problem so it's great for the kind of soulless corpo who doesn't value quality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 months ago (6 children) That does not have to be true. A human can also do a very bad job if they want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (5 children) However, humans can be fired, but Claude cannot. Humans are also more capable of generalized learning and following procedures meant to increase quality. Moreover, quantity of human output is roughly proportional to skill in aggregate, which can limit the damage that can result from incompetence if correct safeguards and procedures are put in place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) This seems a temporary issue. AI is heuristic, afaik. If the bubble burst doesn't sink it, it will steadily improve until companies decide it's more profitable to make it worse. This is, of course, presuming the goal isn't to dumb down westerners even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure this is actually true. Technical debt can increase the amount of tokens that are needed to make changes to a codebase, and that will stay unless the models get good enough to rewrite the code completely while improving the architecture. Companies can believe what they want but profit is derived from the socially necessary human labor required to make a product. If the social necessity tends to zero because of AI, people will be able to use AI to make their own version of whatever software they need and it will not be needed to pay a company for it. But the most likely scenario in my opinion is huge codebases that induce more demand for tokens as models become cheaper to run, which means the cost savings may not actually materialize. Still, it is hard to say for sure at this stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) I guess we'll see soon enough! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (5 children) However, humans can be fired, but Claude cannot. Humans are also more capable of generalized learning and following procedures meant to increase quality. Moreover, quantity of human output is roughly proportional to skill in aggregate, which can limit the damage that can result from incompetence if correct safeguards and procedures are put in place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) This seems a temporary issue. AI is heuristic, afaik. If the bubble burst doesn't sink it, it will steadily improve until companies decide it's more profitable to make it worse. This is, of course, presuming the goal isn't to dumb down westerners even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure this is actually true. Technical debt can increase the amount of tokens that are needed to make changes to a codebase, and that will stay unless the models get good enough to rewrite the code completely while improving the architecture. Companies can believe what they want but profit is derived from the socially necessary human labor required to make a product. If the social necessity tends to zero because of AI, people will be able to use AI to make their own version of whatever software they need and it will not be needed to pay a company for it. But the most likely scenario in my opinion is huge codebases that induce more demand for tokens as models become cheaper to run, which means the cost savings may not actually materialize. Still, it is hard to say for sure at this stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) I guess we'll see soon enough! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (4 children) This seems a temporary issue. AI is heuristic, afaik. If the bubble burst doesn't sink it, it will steadily improve until companies decide it's more profitable to make it worse. This is, of course, presuming the goal isn't to dumb down westerners even more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure this is actually true. Technical debt can increase the amount of tokens that are needed to make changes to a codebase, and that will stay unless the models get good enough to rewrite the code completely while improving the architecture. Companies can believe what they want but profit is derived from the socially necessary human labor required to make a product. If the social necessity tends to zero because of AI, people will be able to use AI to make their own version of whatever software they need and it will not be needed to pay a company for it. But the most likely scenario in my opinion is huge codebases that induce more demand for tokens as models become cheaper to run, which means the cost savings may not actually materialize. Still, it is hard to say for sure at this stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) I guess we'll see soon enough! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure this is actually true. Technical debt can increase the amount of tokens that are needed to make changes to a codebase, and that will stay unless the models get good enough to rewrite the code completely while improving the architecture. Companies can believe what they want but profit is derived from the socially necessary human labor required to make a product. If the social necessity tends to zero because of AI, people will be able to use AI to make their own version of whatever software they need and it will not be needed to pay a company for it. But the most likely scenario in my opinion is huge codebases that induce more demand for tokens as models become cheaper to run, which means the cost savings may not actually materialize. Still, it is hard to say for sure at this stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) I guess we'll see soon enough! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) I guess we'll see soon enough! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) True! Let's hope things turn out all right in the end... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 months ago Hope. 🫡 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago I really want to downvote you, but yes, if you pay people peanuts and treat them like shit, they don't give you their best. AI doesn't have that problem so it's great for the kind of soulless corpo who doesn't value quality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago I really want to downvote you, but yes, if you pay people peanuts and treat them like shit, they don't give you their best. AI doesn't have that problem so it's great for the kind of soulless corpo who doesn't value quality. permalink fedilink source parent