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It isn't "a few," that's part of the problem. The entire reason the war is even happening is because the west helped install a Banderite regime after the 2014 coup, which caused Donetsk and Luhansk to secede, sparking a civil war where Kiev began ethnic cleansing against the Donbass region that voted for the former president.
The Minsk agreements could have avoided the war, but both were tanked by Ukraine and the west. Nazis were emboldened by the new Banderite regime. That's also why Ukraine and Israel are such close allies.
Russiaās invasion has no good reasonā¦ Putin just wants to remake the USSR which wonāt be good for anyoneā¦
Putin is a capitalist. He is literally your guy. You got what you wanted in the 90s, millions died, and this is the result.
Putin is literally America's favourite Russian President of all time. And no, that isn't a statement about Trump, because the statement is true for the entirety of the american political class and yankoid empire as a whole. He's your guy.
If only Putin was actually a communist. If Putin actually was trying to remake the USSR, then the world would be in a much better position.
The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning that still lasts to this day despite capitalism neglecting it. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.
When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski's Human Rights in the Soviet Union.
The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.
Death rates spiked:
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
Capitalism brought with it skyrocketing poverty rates, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, crime rates, and lowered life expectancy. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism and reintroduction of capitalism, and this is why the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall. A return to socialism is the only path forward for the post-soviet countries. A lot of Eastern European countries were swarmed with western capital during the destruction of socialism, which is what temporarily caused the rise of the far-right in these countries, but in time their problems will no longer be able to be ignored.
What about all the famines that the USSR had and resulted in their people starving?
Also communism hasnāt ever worked for groups larger than a few hundred people, because of greed
Did you read my comment? I said the Soviets ended famine in a region where famine was historically common. Further, socialism worked in the USSR, and continues to work in Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, China, Laos, and Venezuela. Greed did not ruin any of these, greed is expressed in greater degrees in capitalist countries where profit is the goal above all else.
It's crazy how arrogant in their ignorance westerners are
The illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster of the 20th century. Anything that would actually bring back a scientific socialist state who's very existence held heel the most wretched capitalist demons that exist would be objectively for the betterment of humanity.
That said you're full of shit and should hit the books in you think putin's a communist or wants to bring back the state of governance that would execute him for bourgeois decadence
The only people who benefit from the people not being entitled to the money they earn is the people in power (the government)
If people are working and their money isnāt theirs it is theft
you are literally describing capitalism
You are describing capitalism. Capitalists plunder the surplus value created by the working classes. Production is already socialized and collaborative, but the spoils go to a tiny handful of people.
You make the boss $100, you wage is $7.25, your boss is earning $92.75 that he uses to recoup the costs of production then can pocket the rest.
Your boss then takes that money and pays off the capitalist state to make laws to take more of your money to further subsidize his cost of business while rigging the laws in his favor to make sure competition doesn't spring up to threaten his bottom line. Your taxes, which should be used for the common welfare of all, is being laundered and sent to further enrich the capitalist class.
If you think taxes are theft, then working for a wage is slavery
Iām talking about communism, not mere taxesā¦
Communism makes it so the guy who is capable of working but sits on his couch all day has the same money as the guy working his butt offā¦
I have no problem with when people who canāt work are helped, the problem is when people who arenāt trying to work get to mooch off of the workersā¦
Also, most people arenāt working for $7.25ā¦ they go where the money is betterā¦ unfortunately big corporations have their fingers in the government (on both sides)
Like, what happens when you're the one who needs help and you find out that the people who control the social safety net disagree?
No one should suffer. We literally make shit that goes right to the landfill so the line keeps going up. But the guy who wants to sit on the couch is the problem, not a symptom.
I'm sorry, are you a boomer? Did you learn what communism is on fox news? Do you honestly to God think the Soviet Union went from a backwater semi-feudal empire that was suffering from famines every 10 or so years to a nation that beat America in the space race several times over within a generation by only having one guy do all the work while everyone else laid around?
Honest to God, do yourself a favor and at least read Chapter 1 of Lenin's State and Revolution. If you do that you'll at least be more learned on some of the 101 level stuff of what communists believe than a lot of the left-liberals that larp as socialists.
The US was the first to land a person on the moon?
The Soviets were the first to space, first to send probes to Venus, first animals in space, first returning animals from space, first humans in space, and more. The moon landing was a huge milestone, sure, but the soviets took a number of firsts themselves.
The Soviets landed a probe on the moon in 1966.
Yep, another win! Just not a human there and back.
I wonāt deny that, but to say they won is false
It's called the space race, not the moon race.
Saying they beat the Americans in the space race several times over doesn't mean the Statesians didn't make it to the moon first, it means the Soviets beat them to many major milestones, yet this is brushed under the rug.
american propaganda frames "getting to the moon" as the end goal of the space race purely because they couldn't get first in everything else.
We are talking about communism, it sounds like you're talking about welfare and getting upset at those on welfare and not the capitalists that plunder all of the social surplus. Of course capitalists control the state, the state serves the ruling class.
I donāt get where you got that fromā¦
I said that the problem is when people who are able to work simply choose not to, and feed off of those who do work.
Wellfare is supposed to be for disabled people, injured people, and people who are stuck between jobsā¦
These people are called capitalists in our world.
Do you think that people don't work in China? Cuba, Korea, Vietnam? Laos? Do you think they didn't work in the USSR, when they went from feudalism to space in half a century? I really don't think you understand how socialism works in real life, or how production in the future will be run.
Genuinely, how did you come to be so confident talking about a subject you clearly don't know the first thing about? Like, where did you get these ideas from?
Because of how Communism and Socialism has only worked out for the party elite, and has been horrible for the peopleā¦
Look at East Berlin and how desperate people were to escape to the west side of the wall.
Did you ignore my comment earlier explaining that socialism has been fantastic for the working classes?
Did you reply to the wrong post? That has nothing to do with what I asked.
I don't think any socialist society has ever abolished money so far, though it's an admirable future goal. The USSR certainly didn't abolish money, they had Rubles.
Also, why is abolishing money a good idea?
With money itās way easier to know market value of a good or serviceā¦
Otherwise youāre stuck with chickens per toaster or something equally as ridiculousā¦
Money in general becomes superfluous if all production and distribution is collectivized and run along a scientific plan. If you develop beyond markets, why do you need money?
Didn't I say "admirable future goal" rather than "good idea right now"? Eventually, society ought to progress to the point where money is no longer needed, through both development of productive forces and development of societal attitudes. This is the goal of communism. The concept of money is only a few thousand years old, and humanity existed for hundreds of thousands of years longer than it, so it's by no means impossible.
Did you ever watch the Star Trek shows? The Federation in Star Trek doesn't have money. Both because they have replicators and can instantly reproduce any item using only energy, but also because they're a more advanced society that has moved beyond needing a medium of exchange
I was referring to how the people work and the government takes their money and ādistributesā it, but most of it actually just goes into the governmentās pocketsā¦
That's not how it works, the people work and capitalists make all of the money, and use the state to prevent people from getting uppity.
And who is "the government"? Elected officials? Bureaucrats? Do you think the low-level grunts at the tax agency are living high on the hog? Or do elected officials take your money and hand it to their buddies in the form of lucrative government contracts? And who is elected? Capitalists consort with each other and choose who among them is to represent you. You're conflating the bureaucratic apparatus of the state with the class that controls it (capitalists) and in doing so losing sight of the actual material reality at play.
please reconcile this thought with police budgets, and then ask yourself what the police actually do and who they really protect
I would like it if you were to expound on this in detail
"I was referring to a thing that I imagined which has no relation to real life"
You're serious š¬