▲ 432 ▼ Longing for the day I can buy an EV that's not a smartphone on wheels is like... (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by IcedRaktajino@startrek.website to c/simpsonsshitposting@sh.itjust.works 143 comments fedilink hide all child comments No touch screens, no telemetry, no cellular modems, no wifi, no apps, no subscriptions, no infotainment.
[+] reddig33@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 months ago (10 children) Backed by amazon? LOL if you think it won't still have a cellular radio and full tracking suite installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (9 children) Slate has stated that they will not have a cellular or other type of connection. It does need some type of connection to do software updates, and that will be from your phone using their app to the truck via USB. They've also stated they won't track your driving data. You can opt in to share data about the truck's health through the app for servicing purposes, but that's all. They've also promised not to sell any kind of data to third parties. That could always change, but I'm on the wait list for one and there are people on the slate forums who are serious about privacy and are watching this and seem pretty happy for now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago (6 children) Software updates via the phone app 😒 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) That's better than ICE cars having to go to the dealer to update their software, which is the current industry standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate is the 2nd best choice rn. First best is buying an older car for cheap and spending some money to repair/upgrade permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago Not exactly a choice, they don't actually exist yet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm quite excited for the Slate to be released. Electric truck, optional SUV conversion, decent price, minimum frills, customize it yourself if that's your thing. That sounds so much better than wheeled tank with built-in privacy concerns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 3 months ago I just wish there was a version with a full size bed. Not that any of the other light truck options are any better in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website [S] 12 points 3 months ago Yeah, I've been watching that. It is supposed to start fulfilling orders this year (last I read anyway), but it'll be at least next year before I can probably look into one. And even then, I'd want to let some other/braver people test them out for reliability and repair-ability. permalink fedilink source parent [–] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Cars also need to be smaller for the sustainable transition. We need to disconnect ego from car. Consider it's spending about 95% of its life parked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) Smaller cars or busses. Or trains. Or trams. Or electric bikes. Or push bikes. Basically there's lots of options that don't make it look like you're going to war. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) And it's only $20,000...$25000...$30000. soon I'll have one parked next to my Aptera, and Tesla Roadster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OR3X@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago This exactly. Slate sounds nice until you realize they're asking $30K for a vehicle with manual locks/windows, no fucking radio, and 150 miles of range. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago I don't like the idea of not having a decent screen for Carplay but I think the upside of this one compared to many other vehicles is that it won't depreciate as badly. No infotainment to go out of date, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 months ago (10 children) Backed by amazon? LOL if you think it won't still have a cellular radio and full tracking suite installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (9 children) Slate has stated that they will not have a cellular or other type of connection. It does need some type of connection to do software updates, and that will be from your phone using their app to the truck via USB. They've also stated they won't track your driving data. You can opt in to share data about the truck's health through the app for servicing purposes, but that's all. They've also promised not to sell any kind of data to third parties. That could always change, but I'm on the wait list for one and there are people on the slate forums who are serious about privacy and are watching this and seem pretty happy for now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago (6 children) Software updates via the phone app 😒 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) That's better than ICE cars having to go to the dealer to update their software, which is the current industry standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate is the 2nd best choice rn. First best is buying an older car for cheap and spending some money to repair/upgrade permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago Not exactly a choice, they don't actually exist yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (9 children) Slate has stated that they will not have a cellular or other type of connection. It does need some type of connection to do software updates, and that will be from your phone using their app to the truck via USB. They've also stated they won't track your driving data. You can opt in to share data about the truck's health through the app for servicing purposes, but that's all. They've also promised not to sell any kind of data to third parties. That could always change, but I'm on the wait list for one and there are people on the slate forums who are serious about privacy and are watching this and seem pretty happy for now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago (6 children) Software updates via the phone app 😒 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) That's better than ICE cars having to go to the dealer to update their software, which is the current industry standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate is the 2nd best choice rn. First best is buying an older car for cheap and spending some money to repair/upgrade permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago Not exactly a choice, they don't actually exist yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago (6 children) Software updates via the phone app 😒 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) That's better than ICE cars having to go to the dealer to update their software, which is the current industry standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (5 children) That's better than ICE cars having to go to the dealer to update their software, which is the current industry standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (4 children) I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (3 children) Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim. There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie? I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs. I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model. EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved. Good thing I didn't do that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Slate is the 2nd best choice rn. First best is buying an older car for cheap and spending some money to repair/upgrade permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago Not exactly a choice, they don't actually exist yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago Not exactly a choice, they don't actually exist yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm quite excited for the Slate to be released. Electric truck, optional SUV conversion, decent price, minimum frills, customize it yourself if that's your thing. That sounds so much better than wheeled tank with built-in privacy concerns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 3 months ago I just wish there was a version with a full size bed. Not that any of the other light truck options are any better in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 3 months ago I just wish there was a version with a full size bed. Not that any of the other light truck options are any better in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website [S] 12 points 3 months ago Yeah, I've been watching that. It is supposed to start fulfilling orders this year (last I read anyway), but it'll be at least next year before I can probably look into one. And even then, I'd want to let some other/braver people test them out for reliability and repair-ability. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oce@jlai.lu 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Cars also need to be smaller for the sustainable transition. We need to disconnect ego from car. Consider it's spending about 95% of its life parked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) Smaller cars or busses. Or trains. Or trams. Or electric bikes. Or push bikes. Basically there's lots of options that don't make it look like you're going to war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) Smaller cars or busses. Or trains. Or trams. Or electric bikes. Or push bikes. Basically there's lots of options that don't make it look like you're going to war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) And it's only $20,000...$25000...$30000. soon I'll have one parked next to my Aptera, and Tesla Roadster. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OR3X@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago This exactly. Slate sounds nice until you realize they're asking $30K for a vehicle with manual locks/windows, no fucking radio, and 150 miles of range. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago This exactly. Slate sounds nice until you realize they're asking $30K for a vehicle with manual locks/windows, no fucking radio, and 150 miles of range. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago I don't like the idea of not having a decent screen for Carplay but I think the upside of this one compared to many other vehicles is that it won't depreciate as badly. No infotainment to go out of date, etc. permalink fedilink source parent