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Bitwarden New CEO has extensive M&A, Private equity experience, Removes Transparency from its Motto (www.fastcompany.com)
submitted 4 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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I find this move concerning, and wish that the Founder had looked for a new CEO that shared his values rather than a Private Equity and Mergers Expert.

Furthermore, the change to the GRIT motto is worrying. Trust is useless without Transparency when it comes to code and security.

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[–] 300 points 4 months ago (48 children)

Is it that time when I say "oh shit!" and starts to look at alternatives? I've seen this scenario a hundred times already and I'm tired.

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  • [–] 122 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don't have the patience to switch to alternatives until they make a change that actually affects the usability of the tool.

    This is absolutely a red flag though.

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  • [–] 63 points 4 months ago (34 children)

    Same question here. What are the best alternatives?

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  • [–] 97 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    KeePassXC is the best FOSS option, but you'll need to figure out self hosting if you want to sync the database between devices.

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    As the database is encrypted in your device, you dont really need to self host. A keepass database in the Google cloud is not really problematic, although you should still choose a more private cloud provider.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Syncthing is probably a simple fix.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Assuming you have a degoogle'd phone. The syncthing-fork devs announced that they aren't going to certify for Google Play when that's made a requirement in a few months

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Ugh, I forgot about this. Aren't you still going to be able to install apps from third-party marketplaces? I thought the plan was just that the phone was going to hassle you and require multiple hoops.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think other apps will require ADB to install

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    And you can use a keyfile separate from the database for even more security. If the database is backed up on Google Drive and the keyfile is saved on a USB or in a (non-Google) email somewhere for the rare times you add a new device, your passwords should be safe even from keyloggers or Google themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    or use syncthing, no hosting experience required

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It doesn't need to be complicated. I use syncthing to synch them. It's pretty trivial. You just tell it what folders to synch, between which devices, and it'll synch whenever it's running.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    I found the easiest way to sync is to use rclone. This way you can use any cloud provider like Google Drive or OneDrive or DropBox. First create the rclone remote for your cloud provider using rclone config. Second step is to create a second remote using the encryption option (menu item 16), choosing an appropriate path <first remote>:<path to directory>. Upload your KeepassXC database to this encrypted remote using rclone copy.

    On Android you can use the RoundSync app from F-droid to configure the the same remotes, then create a task to copy or sync from that encrypted remote and a trigger to run that task on a schedule. Overall, this one-time setup works really well for me. This is my backup in addition to using Bitwarden for several years. Bitwarden is not going to get my money any more.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    I use Vaultwarden

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    But you still use the official BW client apps, correct?

    Unless you forego usage of the clients and access Vaultwarden through the browser (removing accessibility and convenience especially on mobile), it is not an e2e replacement solution.

    Are there any alternative FOSS clients/apps that work with Vaultwarden?

    Edit: I see further down that the official client is open source, and would get forked in the event of any fuckery. So I'm sticking with Vaultwarden + Official client app approach for now.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Coincidentally, I moved to self-hosting Vaultwarden last night, which is open source but compatible with Bitwarden. If you want a simple transition and are capable of hosting it yourself, that would be my recommendation.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I’ve been pretty happy with Apple passwords

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Oh great. Let's go from an open client to a vendor closed-source lock-in.
    Sometimes I am baffled by the polarity of Lemmy.
    From Tryhard-only-libre-software type of users over A-bit-of-each users (but tending to sway towards (F)OSS application) over to this opinion/suggestion.

    Wild.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Vendor lock in is an issue, true, but it's a different issue than the enshittification we're starting to see from Bitwarden. Also, apple passwords isn't "locked in" per se, as passwords aren't difficult to export.

    Lately, I'm starting to feel like finding good software (often FOSS but not exclusively) is increasingly a hook for later increased monetization. The 'agreement' I had with Bitwarden was they provide a solid service, and (while not required) I pay the $10/year honor system fee. That's been upped to $20 now, and now they're appearing to move away from their core principles. I won't be paying for another year.

    With Apple, the unspoken agreement is I "overpay" for my hardware, and they don't have incentive to monetize me otherwise. I'll admit, there are cracks forming in that agreement, but that's my read on it currently anyway, and I think probably the person to which you are replying to as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Your decision are sound.

    Not a fan of the usability of Apple devices (I have an iPad, so I am not talking ou of my butt) but I can't deny they reduced user hostility is attractive.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    iPad usability is in a really weird place. It's definitely the least "usable" of Apple's platforms, and to be honest I probably wouldn't be an Apple user at all if all they had was iPadOS and iOS. macOS is still attractive to me (the Liquid Glass theme notwithstanding). For the record, I split my password manager use between Apple Passwords and [now] self-hosted Vaultwarden. Each has advantages, and while I'd like to just use one, having two is working okay for me for now.

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