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AOC surges to lead in 2028 primary for first time (www.newsweek.com)
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[–] 36 points 5 months ago (11 children)

I disagree, I think Hillary and Kamala were bad candidates and covering it up with blaming it on misogyny is actively harmful.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Hillary and Kamala were bad candidates. I didn't cover that up because I agree. They were the equivalent of a hangover fart in a sauna far as presidential nominations go, but I disagree that their loss wasn't spurred at least partially by a growing amount of misogyny in society.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    "Growing amount of misogyny" compared to what time exactly?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Compared to when a centrist woman was running. Americans are only conveniently bigots against whichever progressive is running at the time. Sanders in 2016? "75 is too old! No one will vote for him!" Biden in 2020? "How DARE you say that 78 is too old!"

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    We never lived in a female utopia, but there's an alarming trend of teenagers that are being influenced by the man-o-sphere so 2015 onward.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ah yes and those teenagers vote in elections right? It's not the boomers who mainly vote?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There's also a not insignificant amount of millennials that are becoming more misogynistic and pessimistic due to the loneliness epidemic coupled with popularized misogyny on social media. Look, if you want to totally ignore the ground swell of underlying issues that got us to where we are, you're more than welcome to. It worked so well when we ignored former Confederate supporters and open racists for a hundred years.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I'm not the one ignoring the reality of the situation, blaming voters for not electing bad candidates and blaming it on misogyny is idiotic and unhelpful.

    The reality is the majority of the US has always been misogynistic and those are actively being stoked and amplified by a confluence of factors mostly down to the fact that peoples lives are getting worse /harder and being told x/y is the problem when the true problem is capitalism and its effects/capture of our government.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Hillary and Kamala were bad candidates

    Compared to Trump?

    No, we not only have a misogyny problem, we have a serious propaganda problem. Check out "the necessary conversation" on youtube and witness the power of propaganda and how it harms regular people and convinces them that fascists are not fascists.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    You realize the majority of left-leaning people who didn't vote for Kamala/Hillary didn't turn around and vote for Trump in turn right?

    This is the "if you're not with us you're against us" mentality but the reality is the majority simply didn't vote because they didn't seem the benefit in doing so. What we need are stronger candidates with clear policy in order to get people excited to vote, or more importantly reform our voting from FPTP so that 3rd party candidates aren't considered "spoilers".

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You realize the majority of left-leaning people who didn’t vote for Kamala/Hillary didn’t turn around and vote for Trump in turn right?

    Not voting for Kamala/Hilary WAS a vote for Trump.

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