We are defederating awful.systems from:

because it's extremely anarchist to use the chatbot as your moderator (no no it's totally human in the loop) and post corporate DARVO-filled excuses when caught.

see also [1] and [2]

This is a last straw after a string of dubious and exhausting behaviour.

If you're an awful.systems user and you post to communities on those instances, you will need to create an account on one of them.

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[–] 14 points 4 months ago (17 children)

I could be charitable enough to imagine a conversation on Discord where one mod posts "heres the log, ngl he looks pretty bigoted, i already pre emptively banned them", next mod posts "lol ran it through deepseek for funsies and got <clipboard.png>", and finally somebody says "lmao gettin smarter erry day, verra nice, big thanks to big brother sponsor OpenAI™", to which there are many Borat stickers and thumbs-up. I can't be charitable enough to ignore their own wiki:

Divisions by zero is a lemmy instance hosted under the dbzer0 domain and is a founding member of the FAF. It is run by Anarchists but is not exclusionary to the ideology. It promotes libertarian socialist ideals, is against copyrights and pro-non-corporate GenAI technology. It is neurodivergence-friendly.

Wrong fucking dog-whistle, dudes. If you want to communicate that you're open to responsible self-hosted machine learning which doesn't simulate humans, then say that. As read, this sounds like they enjoy using llama.cpp at home, and the median friend in my orbit who is doing llama.cpp at home is suffering light chatbot psychoses already. Honestly, it's a little cringe that they haven't declared a Neo-Leninist Anarchist Butlerian Jihad By Zero instead.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    your read of this situation is entirely correct, but things aren't as bad as you think. things are a bit worse

    they're running a distributed computing thing that hosts some llms and diffusion models, for their own and their users use

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    and, frankly, given the “what makes you think there even is a repo?” type answers, I’d have some Ops Maturity questions there too

    (nvm even the code itself (which apparently is something in the ballpark of heisenberg dynamics))

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    update 2: they found the repo, week+ later, but won't show you and it was made by yet another admin (tbf it was said straight previously deep in some thread). just a rogue mod, nothing to see here

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I kept asking for the code, and their response was all manner of telling

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Good on you for pushing that point. Trying to pass off the logging details identifying their llm as ChatGPT as a "joke" was incredibly stupid, but more people might have bought that lie if you didn't press that followup question.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Yeah I'd like to see the python "query" script and its git history to ensure it just pulls user comment into a txt file and doesnt then autoprompt it into an LLM api/mcp. That's the logical end point of querying user comments if you're going to use an LLM to "analyze" them anyway.

    Maybe some proof of this qwen instance with setup logs or something that shows it existed at the time of the supposed local query.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    libertarian socialist ideals

    wtf are these ideals supposed to be?

    If its "libertarian, but doesn't want people dying in the streets or dying of preventable diseases", I will give them the tiniest modicum of credit for being better than standard libertarians, but being libertarian at all still leaves them deep in the negative on credibility in my books.

    pro-non-corporate GenAI technology

    By which I assume they mean corporate models that got released as open weight models (and at-best/at-most got a touch of fine-tuning from a community effort), but still ultimately originated from mass plagiarism and are still not useful beyond generating slop...

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "libertarian" outside the US is the leftist term that Rothbard specifically and knowingly co-opted for shitheadry

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Very little relation to capital-L Libertarians. Libertarian socialism is broadly socialism that seeks to replace the state with smaller-scale social structures and direct democracy that can satisfy everyone's needs equitably without the threat of violence or enforcement of property rights. Libertarianism is meant to protect capitalism from the state; libertarian socialism is meant to protect people from both the state and capitalism. I don't want to get into the details of leftist ideological micro-labels, but generally confusing anarchists with anarcho-capitalists is the quickest way to piss off both.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Thanks for the explanation.

    protect people from both the state and capitalism.

    Using an LLM is a pretty fundamental failure at protecting people from capitalism! I guess db0 hasn't paid any serious attention to the discussion we've had on awful.systems...

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    “libertarian” outside of a US context is a perfectly valid word to use to describe “non-authoritarian” or anarchist left ideologies, e.g. libertarian communism or “libcom”

    i suppose you’d say “left-libertarian” if the meaning is ambiguous, but here it should be implied by “socialism”

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    outside of a US context

    Yeah I guess my Americanness is showing here.

    If they mean to claim the identity of being non-authoritarian or leftist... LLMs are pretty intrinsically fascist and authoritarian along multiple axes (as we've discussed many, many times here on awful.systems). Even if it really was a locally-run open weights model, that only mitigates the issues not removes them.

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