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THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
Fuck off, he hit two kids in a crosswalk with his car. What the fuck kind of justice is that?
It's not. This is how you end up with alternative justice
White justice
Also, the law is selectively applied if you hadn't noticed. Gotta keep the plebeians in line and keep the bootlickers loyal enough. Easier to keep this one on the job than to find another to do the elite's bidding.
Remember bastards are part of the in group with fascists. They are protected by the law but not bound by it.
America. "Welp, it was an accident".
As I say to stupid shit like this all the time, no it's not normal here, that's why there's a news story about it.
It's pretty normal for cops to murder and maim people without consequences
We're lucky we got a story about it. It's because there was clear video evidence. The police are fucking notorious for sweeping stuff like this under the rug.
John Oliver talks about several instances with and without bodycam footage that they try to hide. And, again, those are just some of the cases we know about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP4_2soVZe0
Your trust in media is misplaced. Following that logic, genocide is normal, hence why we don't get many stories on what's actually going on.
Just think of Alex Pretti and Nicole Good. We know, not because of the police or media, but because bystanders had clead evidence to push the media to actually do their jobs for once.
Further case in point is how little we've heard about ICE recently. Because they're still out in force. But I suppose because the violence and rogue law enforcement is "normal" we don't need to report on it anymore, huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZQe3zGGLZk
1984 is a very relevant read right now.
Every year there are 2,430 regular season MLB games played. Every one of them has, at minimum, at least one news story about it.
Cool, not the same thing.
Oh so you mean to say that your logic only applies in that one single instance and if you apply it to anything else it falls apart immediately? Funny that.
An occurrence in a crosswalk doesn’t align with the scale and attention of a paid event attended by thousands, sponsored by the city, and pushed to headlines by a ton of sponsors and the like. I get what you’re trying to do here but it really misses the mark.
A better parallel would be school shootings. We have ~3/day and headlines don’t always make it out of the district they happen in.
He wasn’t even turning into the right lane.
What? You expect a cop to know traffic laws???