▲ 245 ▼ Women in the USSR were in space before American women could open a bank account (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 months ago by K1nsey6@lemmy.world [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world 91 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children) Remind me how many parties they could vote for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) They didn't vote for parties. Elections happened at a local level where people knew candidates personally. Elected local councils ('soviets') would then elect members to higher councils in a 'tiered' system, all the way up to the supreme soviet. A good-faith criticism of this model might be that it has a high degree of inertia, in that it may respond slowly to sudden changes in popular opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children) So the Bolsheviks weren't the dominant party that eliminated all the others after they won the Civil War? And remind me what happened to public figures who spoke against the premier in any way? I'm sure nobody complained because they loved the government so much that they'd never say a bad word about it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, that's right. The point I'm making is that elections worked very differently to the party politics people are used to, with an emphasis on people personally knowing their representatives. To the average voter, the bolshevik party wasn't very relevant when they were choosing between two guys who lived on their street. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) And what happened when those representatives disagreed with the inner circle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) They in turn elected candidates to put forth their disagreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think, there were some more events, and maybe they involved elections, too. And after that all the other parties were eliminated, because it turned out that it's easier to rule when there's no other options permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because eliminating representatives who might disagree with you is much more democratic than allowing a multiple party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) I've never seen anyone arguing more for their own oppression than you. Multiple parties is completely undemocratic, which is the authoritarian government you claim single party countries have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are NO parties if you have a representative government. Instead of arguing you could just say you have no clue how any of this works but you are open to learning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) So why did the USSR have one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) They had central organizing committees. They did not have parties. You seem to keep doubling down on your ignorance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state?wprov=sfla1 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 6 points 3 months ago (1 child) They didn't vote for parties. Elections happened at a local level where people knew candidates personally. Elected local councils ('soviets') would then elect members to higher councils in a 'tiered' system, all the way up to the supreme soviet. A good-faith criticism of this model might be that it has a high degree of inertia, in that it may respond slowly to sudden changes in popular opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children) So the Bolsheviks weren't the dominant party that eliminated all the others after they won the Civil War? And remind me what happened to public figures who spoke against the premier in any way? I'm sure nobody complained because they loved the government so much that they'd never say a bad word about it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, that's right. The point I'm making is that elections worked very differently to the party politics people are used to, with an emphasis on people personally knowing their representatives. To the average voter, the bolshevik party wasn't very relevant when they were choosing between two guys who lived on their street. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) And what happened when those representatives disagreed with the inner circle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) They in turn elected candidates to put forth their disagreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think, there were some more events, and maybe they involved elections, too. And after that all the other parties were eliminated, because it turned out that it's easier to rule when there's no other options permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because eliminating representatives who might disagree with you is much more democratic than allowing a multiple party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) I've never seen anyone arguing more for their own oppression than you. Multiple parties is completely undemocratic, which is the authoritarian government you claim single party countries have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children) So the Bolsheviks weren't the dominant party that eliminated all the others after they won the Civil War? And remind me what happened to public figures who spoke against the premier in any way? I'm sure nobody complained because they loved the government so much that they'd never say a bad word about it... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, that's right. The point I'm making is that elections worked very differently to the party politics people are used to, with an emphasis on people personally knowing their representatives. To the average voter, the bolshevik party wasn't very relevant when they were choosing between two guys who lived on their street. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) And what happened when those representatives disagreed with the inner circle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) They in turn elected candidates to put forth their disagreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent [–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think, there were some more events, and maybe they involved elections, too. And after that all the other parties were eliminated, because it turned out that it's easier to rule when there's no other options permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because eliminating representatives who might disagree with you is much more democratic than allowing a multiple party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) I've never seen anyone arguing more for their own oppression than you. Multiple parties is completely undemocratic, which is the authoritarian government you claim single party countries have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davetortoise@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yes, that's right. The point I'm making is that elections worked very differently to the party politics people are used to, with an emphasis on people personally knowing their representatives. To the average voter, the bolshevik party wasn't very relevant when they were choosing between two guys who lived on their street. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) And what happened when those representatives disagreed with the inner circle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) They in turn elected candidates to put forth their disagreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) And what happened when those representatives disagreed with the inner circle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) They in turn elected candidates to put forth their disagreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) They in turn elected candidates to put forth their disagreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Again, what happened to high-ranking politicians who openly expressed disagreement with the premier and his cabinet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) Could you cite some specific examples of what you lre talking about? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Can you find any records of USSR politicians criticizing high-level government figures without consequence? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) I think, there were some more events, and maybe they involved elections, too. And after that all the other parties were eliminated, because it turned out that it's easier to rule when there's no other options permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because eliminating representatives who might disagree with you is much more democratic than allowing a multiple party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) I've never seen anyone arguing more for their own oppression than you. Multiple parties is completely undemocratic, which is the authoritarian government you claim single party countries have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) Because eliminating representatives who might disagree with you is much more democratic than allowing a multiple party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) I've never seen anyone arguing more for their own oppression than you. Multiple parties is completely undemocratic, which is the authoritarian government you claim single party countries have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) I've never seen anyone arguing more for their own oppression than you. Multiple parties is completely undemocratic, which is the authoritarian government you claim single party countries have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago So why is having one party better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are NO parties if you have a representative government. Instead of arguing you could just say you have no clue how any of this works but you are open to learning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) So why did the USSR have one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) They had central organizing committees. They did not have parties. You seem to keep doubling down on your ignorance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state?wprov=sfla1 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) So why did the USSR have one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) They had central organizing committees. They did not have parties. You seem to keep doubling down on your ignorance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state?wprov=sfla1 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) They had central organizing committees. They did not have parties. You seem to keep doubling down on your ignorance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state?wprov=sfla1 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhenomenalPancake@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state?wprov=sfla1 permalink fedilink source parent