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Western media really can't find a single Ukrainian to interview who's not an open nazi (thelemmy.club)
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[+] -13 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Ukraine had elections for many years. Now it would be difficult to organise an election because parts of their country are illegally occupied by the fascist Russian regime.

Russia, unlike Ukraine, has not had a legitimate presidential election for years. Ballot boxes are stuffed in Russian "elections". Opposition politicians are either banned from running (e.g. Boris Nadezhdin) or poisoned by the state because they are deemed too much of a threat to the powers that be (this happened to Alexei Navalny).

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Go back to reddit where you can spew this bullshit and people will actually buy it. I love how self determination doesn't apply to people of Donbas that the fascist regime you support has been terrorizing.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I believe you edited this post after I replied to it. I think it originally said only "fuck off back to Reddit you fascist".

    As I stated in my other reply to you: I oppose the fascist Russian government.

    I love how self determination doesn’t apply to people of Donbas

    I am in favour of self-determination, including in the Donbas. Unfortunately self-determination was taken away from those who live in the Donbas because armed separatists, helped by Russia, took over the region. They held sham "referendums" to try to legitimise their armed seizure of the region. I don't know which view is more popular in the Donbas right now: being part of Ukraine, or being part of Russia. Given the lack of political freedom in Russian-occupied territories these days, it is practically impossible right now to determine which view is more popular.

    If you believe in self-determination then presumably you think Alexei Navalny should have been able to run in Russian elections? Presumably you think he shouldn't have been poisoned by the FSB? Perhaps you didn't agree with Navalny's views, and that's fine, but self-determination means that candidates you don't like must be able to stand in elections.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Let's take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is a prominent American scholar who is not pro Russian in any sense. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

    here's how the election in 2004 went:

    this is the 2010 election:

    As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

    If you believe in self-determination then presumably you think Alexei Navalny should have been able to run in Russian elections?

    No, I don't think open fascist should've been allowed to run in Russian elections. https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches

    Presumably you think he shouldn’t have been poisoned by the FSB?

    Presumably you know something that Ukrainian intelligence doesn't? https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28630

    It's hilarious that you think FSB poisoned him with intent to kill him, then for some reason let him go to a hospital and fly to Germany. This would make perfect logical sense to somebody who's high on meth I suppose.

    Nor was Navalny ever a popular candidate. The most national support his party ever got was only around 5%. This was never a serious party. So, again, it's not clear why anybody would think that FSB would need to poison this fascist pig.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No, I don’t think open fascist should’ve been allowed to run in Russian elections

    So you don't believe in self-determination at all. I think what I believe is that a country should be able to elect whoever they like, and then that person must act within international law. If they break international law then they should be arrested and tried by a court such as the International Criminal Court.

    I guess I believe in democracy and the rule of law, while you believe in arbitrary authoritarianism. That's probably why you're posting in defence of Russia's fascist regime.

    There is probably no point in us talking with each other any longer. You believe in the fascist Kremlin regime invading a sovereign democratic nation and murdering its people. I hope one day you will take a more humane position, but I'm not optimistic.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, you got me. I don't believe in self determination for fascists, not being a fascist like you. However, being a fascists you're obviously lacking in intellect. I've literally explained to you that Navalny was never a serous political force in Russia and his party never had more than 5%. Navalny has fuck all to do with self determination.

    Oh and what does international law say about fucking genocide fash? All of the west is actively supporting one happening in Gaza right now. You don't have any moral high ground here.

    The only thing that's clear here is that you're fascist sympathizer with no moral standards. And you're right that there's no point having a further discussion with an open fascist pig like you.

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  • [+] -10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I support democracy. I oppose the fascist government of Russia.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Navalny wasn't a threat, the KPRF is the second largest party and actually wishes to re-establish socialism. Navalny wanted to sell out to the west, which was genuinely deeply unpopular. Ukraine, since 2014, has been governed by Banderites that caused Donetsk and Luhansk to secede and vote to join the Russian Federation.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    In fact, Navalny is himself a fascist whose party never had more than 5% support in Russia https://archive.org/details/VideoAlexeiNavalnyComparesMuslimsToCockroaches

    and even Ukrainians say that he died of natural causes https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28630

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Navalny wasn’t a threat

    Navalny wanted to sell out to the west, which was genuinely deeply unpopular

    I see. If Navalny was such an unpopular non-threat, why did the FSB poison him? The purpose of the FSB is to protect Russia's ruling regime, right? So presumably they poisoned Navalny to protect the regime.

    Why is it that Russian authorities can't even tolerate a mural of Navalny? See picture:

    A mural in Saint Petersburg of Alexei Navalny, being painted over by a uniformed man.

    Ukraine, since 2014, has been governed by Banderites

    Ukraine since 2014 has been governed by elected governments. Unlike Russia, which has been governed by a regime which prevents genuine elections from taking place.

    Donetsk and Luhansk to secede and vote to join the Russian Federation

    It's likely that you already know that armed separatists in those regions, with assistance from Russia, seized land and government buildings. Then they held sham "referendums" to try and make their armed seizure appear democratic.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    As yogthos pointed out, Navalny was a fascist, comparing Muslims to cockroaches, and whose party never had more than 5% support. I would hope that murals of fascists would be taken down, and your claims of "supporting democracy" seem to in reality be a cover for supporting fascists.

    Regarding Ukraine, since the Banderite coup in 2014, it has been governed by far-right nationalists that work closely with Neo-Nazis like Azov. This is what caused Donetsk and Luhansk to secede, and is why they voted to join the Russian Federation, rather than remain under the thumb of Kiev's new regime. The armed seperatists are popularly supported, and kicked out the Kiev-backed governments.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Once upon a time there has been elections in Ukraine, but obviously it‘s a democracy.

    VS.

    See, look at Russia, they haven‘t had an election for way longer, so they obviously are not a democracy.

    And in order to win against the fascist orc, the democratic Ukraine has to crush dissent, terrorize their Russian speaking citizens. It’s totally necessary to fight this righteous war.

    Now, how about we remember the Odessa pogrom‘s 12th anniversary (2 May 20214) now, when Ukrainian fascists massacred 48 and injured more than 200.

    Your takes are the confusions of western indoctrination.

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