li10 comments on I sure as hell don't.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, it’s just about pushing back on ridiculous expectations.

If you work and do your part you should get shelter, medical care and all the other necessities, as well as time to live your life. Then, if you work hard you get a bigger house and more luxury items etc.

But we’ve ended up in a situation where you have to work hard and you don’t even necessarily get the basics anymore. Home ownership is a pipe dream for a lot of people in my country.

Meanwhile, people like the one in the tweet just want stuff for free. They don’t actually want a society where people get what they deserve, really they just wish they were born to a rich family and don’t have to work.

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[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

So, people with disabilities that prevent labor shouldn’t get shelter, medical care or other necessities? Do you not see how tying peoples worth to their productive capacity has inherent eugenic arguments associated with it?

If we’re going to discuss doing ones part, should we discuss the uncompensated labor which modern society depends on? Should we define what counts as contributing in a way that encompasses these forms of labor? Should we be counting Exxons corporate lawyers as doing their part when they lobby to prevent meaningful actions to combat climate change?

Our society has a profoundly perverse rewards system, which results in nearly inverted compensation compared to contribution. Pedagogy is inarguably one of the single most necessary and important aspects of society, yet educators are compensated poorly and their work devalued.

Antiwork isn’t just “if I work hard I should be rewarded”, it’s “One shouldn’t have to sacrifice their body and mind in service of subsistence wages” and also “my value is not determined by the profits I can produce for a private corporation.” And even “Uncompensated labor is a form of exploitation upon which all economic activity depends, and should be treated with the foundational importance it has, rather then dismissed as valueless or insisted upon as is often done through traditional gender roles”.

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[–] li10@feddit.uk 1 point 3 years ago

Seems like you’re looking for an argument and using me as a straw man, considering I’ve said none of that and actually agree with the points you’re making.

If you work and do your part you should get shelter, medical care and all the other necessities, as well as time to live your life.

Someone’s part is whatever they’re able to do. If they have disabilities that mean they can’t contribute in a work environment then they’ve essentially already done their part.

There needs to be a base level that means everyone is protected and has what they need. And in an ideal world I’d like to see people like teachers and doctors being among the highest paid/rewarded for what they do.

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[–] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 3 years ago

Meanwhile, people like the one in the tweet just want stuff for free. They don’t actually want a society where people get what they deserve, really they just wish they were born to a rich family and don’t have to work.

I gave you an upvote cause I agree with a lot of what you're saying but a lot of people in the comments seem to be applying a whole lot of meaning to that tweet that isn't really there.

All it says it that they didn't consent to the bullshit we currently deal with. Isn't that what the anti-work movement is? We're all sick of the 9-5 bullshit 40+ hour a week grind in order to live?

I mean.. just looking at it I agreed cause yeah, I didn't fucking consent to this shit.

That doesn't magically mean I don't want to work ever. It means I want to work in different ways.

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