cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/37002792

25 April 1999

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[–] 58 points 5 months ago (14 children)

I just got back to the US from japan and now I'm super depressed that I have to drive 14 minutes to the nearest grocery store... Which is Walmart.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    That's the exact reason I'm holding onto my (not so great) job in Germany. Going back to the US is incredibly unpalatable. I LOVE living in a modern city where I can actually walk to errands. It's wonderful.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    But, but, 15 minute cities are fascism!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Thats why I live in a US city and not the suburbs, totally doable

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (6 children)

    In like, 2 or 3 major US cities maybe, and even then you're still having to deal with abysmal, anti-pedestrian infrastructure.

    The rest of the country it is incredibly dangerous and sprawled out to the point that walkability is infeasible.

    And this is all assuming someone can even remotely afford to live within city limits with how prohibitively expensive CoL is getting

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Drive up the cost of energy enough and those suburbs will be abandoned as more people move into cities.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Yes, suburbs abandoned for cities that are entirely built around car-centric infrastructure.

    The walkability of the US is abysmal everywhere except for maybe a handful of major metropolitan areas, and even then those are lacking.

    Also, assuming that people can even afford to live within the city if they can't even afford to live in the suburbs of that city. More likely people will be pushed out to rural towns with lower CoL and become even more isolated and thus car dependent

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    You just proved why cities are better than suburbs

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Yes, cities are massively better than suburbs. I never denied this.

    Still doesn't change the fact that living within the city is becoming increasingly prohibitive due to capitalist greed nor that, even if they are better than suburbs, the cities within the US are massively lacking in pedestrian focused infrastructure.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Then the suburbs are even worse off, you make no sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    My point never disagreed with the fact that the suburbs were worse off than cities. Just because the suburbs are worse than the cities in the US doesn't discount that the cities are still lacking in pedestrian infrastructure and that walkability is something that is few and far between in the US, even among its cities, nor that being able to live in the city is a privilege that is only available to those who can afford such a luxury.

    So the claim that "it is doable" is shortsighted. For the vast majority in the US it most certainly is not "doable" due to systemic forces beyond their immediate control.

    And the insinuation that it is equivalent to an experience to living abroad in places with far better pedestrian infrastructure, such as Japan and Germany like the users above, and not an objective downgrade is absurd as well. You can live in a US city and it would still be leagues worse than those in the countries mentioned; so it isn't doable to have an equivalent experience in that regard either.

    Your claim that it is "totally doable" is what makes no sense.

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