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Tucker Carlson apologizes for 'misleading' people on Trump: 'We're implicated in this for sure' (www.nbcnews.com)

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -7 points 4 months ago (26 children)

Who would that be? Kevin Soros? Dean Cain? Kid Rock? Don Jr? There's no new celebrity waiting in the wings. Trump had been groomed for this since 1987. He was their only shot. With Orban out of the picture, and Trump out of the picture, the last 50 years of the Russian backed conservative movement will collapse and die. With Russia on the brink of collapse themselves (they are barely alive only because Trump removed oil sanctions against them, otherwise they'd be dead broke), it will take another few decades to rebuild, and the West will be watching closer this time.

MAGA didn't exist before Trump, and it won't exist after Trump. It simply doesn't exist without Trump.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (17 children)

russia russia russia

They're billionaire backed, and last I checked, billionaires were in no danger of collapse.

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -8 points 4 months ago (16 children)

First of all, you QUOTED me saying:

russia russia russia

I never said that, and I take extreme offense at putting false quotes in my mouth. That establishes you as a Lying Pig right out of the gate, so we ALL know what we're dealing with here.

Yeah, Billionaires, RUSSIAN billionaires, and any other billionaires as well. The interference by Russia in the last three elections is well-established by EVERY American intelligence agency, as well as the intelligence agencies of every one of our allies. The Russian interference in our elections is well-documented for history, and anyone denying it looks like a massive idiot as best, a traitor at worst.

What you Russia defenders aren't understanding is that Russia has already become what they want to to do to America, and then everywhere else. You say billionaires, I say Russians, but they are the same thing.

It's not about politics, that's just the vehicle. It's about CRIME, specifically MONEY. These people aren't really politicians, trying to take their country in a specific political direction, no matter how misguided they may be. They don't care about politics, they are CRIMINALS.

Sociopathic Oligarchs, aka organized crime billionaires, managed to take over Russia, and they have established it as their global base of operations to take over everything else. Currently, they are trying to take over America, as well as every other nation, eventually. They disguise themselves as politicians, but the government is just a front, like that pizza shop that nobody ever goes into, but always has a bunch of guys sitting around at the tables out front, not eating pizza.

They've taken over Russia, and continue to loot it, and other Sociopathic Oligarchs have noted their success, and have formed an alliance. Now the criminals have taken over America, and are trying to make it permanent. Billionaires, Russians, Oligarchs, Presidents, CEOs, etc. the labels don't matter, they are all the same, with the same objective - take over the country in any way possible, and steal EVERYTHING.

But you want to quibble about

russia russia russia

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago (7 children)

The interference by Russia in the last three elections is well-established by EVERY American intelligence agency, as well as the intelligence agencies of every one of our allies

Groups famous for telling the truth about their enemies.

a traitor at worst

Being a traitor against a genocidal empire is good actually

Russia has already become what they want to to do to America, and then everywhere else.

What Russia is today was largely imposed upon them by your beloved EuroAmerikan empire.

You say billionaires, I say Russians, but they are the same thing.

Holy chauvinism.

These people aren’t really politicians, trying to take their country in a specific political direction, no matter how misguided they may be. They don’t care about politics, they are CRIMINALS.

I take it back this is the holy chauvinism. Also ironic an American talking about other countries having criminal politicians.

Sociopathic Oligarchs, aka organized crime billionaires, managed to take over Russia

Holy passive voice. "Managed". You mean were boosted to power during shock therapy as the former USSR was looted by the EuroAmerikans

You are fucking deranged I can't wait to piss on the grave of the EuroAmerikan empire and all of its bootlickers.

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

You don't even realize that you basically agreed with everything I said. These people are ALL global criminals, and you are still here whining about governments. Stop with your university radicalist anarchist nonsense, and understand that it isn't about politics or governments or social systems, blah blah blah. That's all so 20th century European radicalism. Boring, stupid, and an utter failure.

This is ONLY about Money and Crime. These people aren't interested in establishing any sort of government system, they only want to steal EVERYTHING. Get that through your head. This isn't about who has a better system of government, dummy. The Sociopathic Oligarchs don't care about that. They only want the treasure. The rest of us can starve, or kill each other, or whatever. Here's a bunch of guns, point them at each other.

But yeah, instead of addressing the Global Mafia that's taking over the world, let's debate which governmental system was responsible 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, that you wrote a masters thesis about. That's relevant, and productive. /s

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Oh you're a troll. Fuck. I can't believe I fell for the bait. Honestly hats off to you genuinely impressive. Honestly if you didn't go full mask off alternate reality deranged I might not have realised. Very impressive work.

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Nope, you Europeans just don't get it. You can't even take care of the far-right in your own countries, we don't need bad advice from you.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'm not European.

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

More to the point, you're not American.

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[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

By the grace of god

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

I'm jealous.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry, but you were bringing up BlueAnon talking points, and that's why you were jokingly quoted as such. Russia is not behind the US Empire's downfall, that's been the gradual decay in imperialism and the dominance of Statesian finance capital. This is why a return to Marx and Lenin is necessary, otherwise conspiracy theory becomes the explanation for everything.

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

BlueAnon talking points

I don't even know what that is, sounds like Conservative Propaganda Machine bullshit to me. A lot like TDS. Seriously, where do I go to hear these Blue Anon talking points?

Russia is not behind the US Empire's downfall,

And I did not say they were. I said they were heavily involved with election interference in the 2016, 20, and 24, and that they are the engine behind the global rise of far-right extremism. Those aren't some kind of "talking points," those are facts. There are lots of reasons for the downfall of America, from interruption of Reconstruction, to Dodge vs Ford, to the tax code re-write of 1974, and much more. Russia doesn't get credit for being the primary force behind the fall of America, but they have been a serious pressure point over the last 75 years, and especially the last 15.

I don't know if I'd go as far as Marx & Lenin, but I'm certainly supportive of Democratic Socialist concepts.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

By BlueAnon, I mean the idea that Russia is behind the problems caused entirely by the US Empire's capitalist system. Russia has not been behind any serious election interference, and even if they were, the DNC is still a capitalist party and is also responsible for the US Empire's system.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

this is true except for the russian oligarchs trying to take over the usa.

it's the opposite: american oligarchs (aka the epsteins) had taken over the entire western world and reached into russia back in the 90's and it enabled another oligarchy in their own image.

the problem is that the russian oligarchy is nationalist, unlike the epsteins, so their goals are in sometimes in conflict with the epsteins; hence the election interference. it's just another version of inter-class infighting, but for the ruling class and on a global stage.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Valid. I didn't mean that that Russian Oligarchs (Mobsters) were directly taking over America, I meant that they took over Russia, and Russia was promoting far-right movements across the globe. Other Sociopathic Oligarchs have allied with that same strategy, and are all pushing the same things, but the nation with the biggest influence is Russia, being led by their Organized Crime government.

It is a simple fact that Russia has interfered directly, and substantially, in the last three presidential elections, and probably several before that, and it is silly to debate that. There is no doubt that Trump has been heavily steered by the Putin, we have seen it with our own eyes. Just look at Trump's latest adventure. He shut down the world's oil supply, but removed sanctions on Russian oil. Everybody else in the world, including America, has to take a serious hit on the global oil shortage, except Russia, who gets to make money on it (which they need badly), thanks to TRUMP.

Also silly is to completely dismiss the work done by intelligence agencies. Sure, we all know they do lots of sketchy stuff, that's the nature of intelligence, but they tend to be smart, competent people, who know what they are doing.

I've seen many reports on what the Russians were up to in 2016, 2020, and 2024, and there was no doubt that were trying hard to cause trouble. I'm not going to just ignore what I know because it's cool and edgy to just dismiss out of hand anything that comes from an intelligence agency.

When an intelligence agency makes an announcement, of course you have to consider any ulterior motives, which are almost always there, but to just dismiss EVERYTHING they do is dumb.

Of course, the other reason to dismiss everything from a valid source like intelligence agencies is because it doesn't fit your narrative, which is disengenuous.

So, dumb or disngenuous?

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

more accurate

americans have been groomed to believe in cults of personality since the 70's starting with the evangelicals and trump simply took advantage of it; obama proves that there's a similar cult for liberals.

and oligarchs interfere anywhere that they can, it doesn't matter what nation that they're originally based in; they will never suffer the consequences of their actions -- only we will.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

Valid.

America has a serious problem with celebrity.

And we will have to do something globally about the rising influence of Sociopathic Oligarchs. They are already getting rich enough that they are starting to cut personal deals with nations, without regard to their own nation, or whatever nation they purport to be citizens of.

Soon they will reach trillionaire status, and become even more powerful, and it is just a matter of time before an alliance is formed, a landmass is purchased or conquered, and they establish their own nation, with their own laws, and their own military.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

the alliances have already manifested themselves several times in the last century or so and the collapse of the soviet union was probably one of their greatest achievements since they succeeded in their goal despite an overwhelming majority of russians resisting the change through voting and violence.

and the existence of oligarchs along w the american affinity for celebrity are also manifestations of that grooming that i mentioned in my previous comment.

the only way to stop it is to through collective action; which is why the oligarchies in the west took pains to prevent collectivization through any and all means available to them and the oligarchies of the global south and russia have followed suit. the epstein files proves how much the western oligarchy feared collectivization in examples like the "me too" and "occupy wall street" movements which are both explicitly referenced in both the epstein files and the maxwell court case.

none of this is new and all this has already been dissected ad nauseam via examination essays/papers of the circumstances that created the white army and the soviet union's collapse.

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[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

You need to diversify your news consumption, you can dislike Russia and reactionary movements and simultaneously engage with reality

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -6 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Russia was literally the driver of far-right extremism before the fall of the Soviet Union, and Russia has continued to be the driver of far-right extremism since the end of the Cold War. That is a simple geo-political fact that is accepted by EVERY authentic political entity and news media on the planet.

Anybody saying that Russia has NOT been the leader in promoting Western Far-Right Extremism is spewing Russian propaganda. They are either a Russian propagandist, a treasonous MAGA, or a stupid, gullible pawn, or any combination of the three.

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[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Russia was literally the driver of far-right extremism before the fall of the Soviet Union

The USSR was one of the main reasons why Hitler didn't win, what are you talking about lol

authentic political entity and news media on the planet.

What's the bar for that? Authentic in what sense? And if you're including the media that lied to our faces for the last few years on Palestine then I have to dispute their veracity.

Either way my point isn't that you should like Russia or Putin or believe in something uncritically, my point was that western media has predicted Russian collapsing any minute now for years and it doesn't seem to be the case, so some skepticism is warranted. As long as you're aware of the biases of the media you consume you can at least understand it better, and this includes whatever media and personalities you find trustworthy.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The USSR was one of the main reasons why Hitler didn't win, what are you talking about lol

I'll go you one better, and say that Soviet Union is precisely the reason that the Nazis lost WWII. America made it easier by providing a Western front, but the Soviets would have prevailed anyway. But so what? That's totally irrelevant to what RUSSIA was up to 80 years later, LOL. The Russia of the 2020s is a completely different nation than the Soviet Union of the 1940s. It's like comparing modern America to pre-Civil War America.

And I'm not going to play that MAGA Media game, that's nonsense. Gee, the media has biases? I had no idea, thanks for the heads up, I hadn't noticed that over the numerous decades I've spent following it every single day.

my point was that western media has predicted Russian collapsing any minute now for years and it doesn't seem to be the case,

Except they did collapse in 1989, remember? Of course you don't. Nothing occured in the 6.5 billion years before you were born. Except that the Soviet Union stopped Hitler. You were awake for that day in History class.

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[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I only brought up the USSR because you claimed that Russia was exporting far right ideology before the fall of the USSR.

Except they did collapse in 1989, remember?

Again, you were claiming MODERN Russia would collapse soon, I was pushing back against that because they have been saying that forever in media and so far it doesn't seem to be happening.

Last thing, please don't be so rude, I was trying not to insult or offend you.

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[+] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Lmao you're wrong and doubling down

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago

No, I'm right, and sticking by it. But you keep going on with your fantasy about the Soviet Union never falling, despite predictions that they would fall. Let's just pretend they didn't.

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