submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [M] to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world
 

Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.

We're currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.

We will share further updates once we have them.


Update 2026-04-22 23:25 UTC: anarchist.nexus federation has been reactivated.

We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated.

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[–] 7 points 4 months ago (52 children)

I hope that db0 doesn’t get defederated.

I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.

We are all on the fediverse for similar reasons, we’ll be a lot more successful trying to see the nuance in people’s views instead making enemies of each other out of righteous indignation. This goes for everyone

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (44 children)

    No you actually can't be anti-"the only group resisting genocide" while also being anti-genocide. This is like being against apartheid in south africa and telling the ANC to disarm.

    You can't believe in an ethnostate settled on other peoples land and be against the government doing settlerism.

    These positions are contradictory. Either you want the jewish supremacist ethnostate to settle palestine, you don't or you have no opinion. But you can't have an "israel" without jewish supremacism, that's why it's called "israel". It comes from judaism, it's about a land just for jews. You either support the palestinians right to return, or you support "israel". Because you can't have one without the other. This is not a policy thing. This is baked into the very foundation of this so-called country.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    FWIW, Hamas is not the only resistance group in Palestine, just the most prominent in Gaza. There are other secular/socialist resistance groups in Palestine who aren't trying to establish an Islamic theocracy that are probably more deserving of support.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm aware and most support hamas, like e.g. the popular front for the liberation of Palestine

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Like Lenin, I suppose I find it hard to accept a congruence between bourgeoise religious zealotry and the imperative for socialist egalitarianism.

    That image, if it's even to be interpreted as authentic, doesn't indicate anything more than the united front of the communists and nationalists during the Japanese occupation of China. An alliance of convenience that postpones the inevitable reckoning of incompatible ideology.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    PFLP has been allied with Hamas on a level more like NATO since 2018. Oct 7 was technically run by the "Joint Operations Room" which is Hamas and PFLP and every significant Palestinian group with fighters in Gaza. Hamas is the biggest but PFLP is in there and one of the hostage exchange priorities was freeing Nader Sadaqa, the non-Muslim Samaritan PFLP leader.

    Hamas in the 1980s was a religious zealot group that hated communists more than Israelis. But Hamas has working internal democracy, members vote for the leaders and what they support drifted over time so now Islam is dialed down to being a "frame of reference" for big tent Palestinian nationalism.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Ok but if my palestinian comrades say they are the ones to support then who am I to hem and haw about ideological differences? Also comparing Hamas to KMT is rather distasteful since Hamas is a popular (as in from the populous, though they are also well-liked) movement concerned for the well being of the people it represents, whereas the KMT was feared for their indiscriminate massacres of the people.

    And I don't think Lenin's thoughts apply, the russian church was more than complicit, it was an important tool in the imperial oppression of the russian working class. Hamas is not a bourgeois party, there is no gazan bourgeoisie, the religious zealotry comes from the occupying jews. It's their institutions that need to be resisted foremost.

    Islam in palestine has not been allowed to develop into a dominating religion, it's not the superstructure, rather it's how the oppressed indigenous people come together, share their struggle, protest the suffering, like it was in Iran under the shah and SAVAK. A much more appropriate look is from marx

    The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. ...

    Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

    The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm

    but how can there be a demand for happiness while the jewish occupation exists? It needs to be abolished first.

    I hope and pray (since that hasn't been made illegal here yet) for a Hamas victory and establishment of a palestinian state, where people do not have to suffer under military siege, wherein the communist struggle can bloom.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You cannot be pro-Palestine and support Israel’s existence on their land.

    If Zionists want to start a country in Antartica or something go for it, I’ll support that. But to steal other people’s homes for their own lebensraum is evil.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.

    You describe the political stance of feddit.org and we were defed for our stance by db0 and anarchie.nexus.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Stop. Your nuance doesn't work with the right-wing astroturfers engaging in gaslighting here lol.

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