▲ 1090 ▼ Obvious choice (thelemmy.club) submitted 4 months ago by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/solarpunk@slrpnk.net 285 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Amberskin@europe.pub 18 points 4 months ago (1 child) Why not both? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) From the agricultural perspective- we’ve got billions to feed and that isn’t going to go away. Better ways to use the land we’ve turned into fields is a different subject, but between plant’s need for solar and how they’re harvested it’s a no go. Wind capture is an option though. For what’s left of our wild spaces- we’ve already fucked so many. Solar may be a lower impact on what remains but there’s millions of acres that have already been converted for our “needs”. We should focus on generating our power in the areas already developed before talking about dropping more manmade structures in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children) It’s often mutually beneficial for animals to graze around solar panels. Having them in fields is not inherently wasting the space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That’s why I referenced plants, not animals. Also, don’t fool yourself. The bulk of your meat is not grazing in a field even if the packaging label makes it look that way. It’s knee deep in shit-mud and shoulder to shoulder with it’s kin in a CAFO or tearing up the native vegetation on the public lands out west. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] htrayl@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) There are also studies showing certain plants do well too. Also ignoring that a truly massive amount of cropland is being used for ethanol, which is a much less efficient form of energy than solar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago An even greater amount of cropland is being used for animal feed, something ethanol crops double dip in because they use byproduct from that process in feed. Eliminating ethanol and the luxury of cheap meat would go a long way in reclaiming our crop lands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago Animal agriculture, excepting very small symbiotic regenerative practices youve never fucking heard of, ends in any future where we still have humans in a century. This is not a moral imperative. The future where thats viable is underwater and boiled to a grey lump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) From the agricultural perspective- we’ve got billions to feed and that isn’t going to go away. Better ways to use the land we’ve turned into fields is a different subject, but between plant’s need for solar and how they’re harvested it’s a no go. Wind capture is an option though. For what’s left of our wild spaces- we’ve already fucked so many. Solar may be a lower impact on what remains but there’s millions of acres that have already been converted for our “needs”. We should focus on generating our power in the areas already developed before talking about dropping more manmade structures in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children) It’s often mutually beneficial for animals to graze around solar panels. Having them in fields is not inherently wasting the space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That’s why I referenced plants, not animals. Also, don’t fool yourself. The bulk of your meat is not grazing in a field even if the packaging label makes it look that way. It’s knee deep in shit-mud and shoulder to shoulder with it’s kin in a CAFO or tearing up the native vegetation on the public lands out west. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] htrayl@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) There are also studies showing certain plants do well too. Also ignoring that a truly massive amount of cropland is being used for ethanol, which is a much less efficient form of energy than solar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago An even greater amount of cropland is being used for animal feed, something ethanol crops double dip in because they use byproduct from that process in feed. Eliminating ethanol and the luxury of cheap meat would go a long way in reclaiming our crop lands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago Animal agriculture, excepting very small symbiotic regenerative practices youve never fucking heard of, ends in any future where we still have humans in a century. This is not a moral imperative. The future where thats viable is underwater and boiled to a grey lump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children) It’s often mutually beneficial for animals to graze around solar panels. Having them in fields is not inherently wasting the space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That’s why I referenced plants, not animals. Also, don’t fool yourself. The bulk of your meat is not grazing in a field even if the packaging label makes it look that way. It’s knee deep in shit-mud and shoulder to shoulder with it’s kin in a CAFO or tearing up the native vegetation on the public lands out west. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] htrayl@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) There are also studies showing certain plants do well too. Also ignoring that a truly massive amount of cropland is being used for ethanol, which is a much less efficient form of energy than solar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago An even greater amount of cropland is being used for animal feed, something ethanol crops double dip in because they use byproduct from that process in feed. Eliminating ethanol and the luxury of cheap meat would go a long way in reclaiming our crop lands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago Animal agriculture, excepting very small symbiotic regenerative practices youve never fucking heard of, ends in any future where we still have humans in a century. This is not a moral imperative. The future where thats viable is underwater and boiled to a grey lump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That’s why I referenced plants, not animals. Also, don’t fool yourself. The bulk of your meat is not grazing in a field even if the packaging label makes it look that way. It’s knee deep in shit-mud and shoulder to shoulder with it’s kin in a CAFO or tearing up the native vegetation on the public lands out west. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] htrayl@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) There are also studies showing certain plants do well too. Also ignoring that a truly massive amount of cropland is being used for ethanol, which is a much less efficient form of energy than solar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago An even greater amount of cropland is being used for animal feed, something ethanol crops double dip in because they use byproduct from that process in feed. Eliminating ethanol and the luxury of cheap meat would go a long way in reclaiming our crop lands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] htrayl@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) There are also studies showing certain plants do well too. Also ignoring that a truly massive amount of cropland is being used for ethanol, which is a much less efficient form of energy than solar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago An even greater amount of cropland is being used for animal feed, something ethanol crops double dip in because they use byproduct from that process in feed. Eliminating ethanol and the luxury of cheap meat would go a long way in reclaiming our crop lands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 point 4 months ago An even greater amount of cropland is being used for animal feed, something ethanol crops double dip in because they use byproduct from that process in feed. Eliminating ethanol and the luxury of cheap meat would go a long way in reclaiming our crop lands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago Animal agriculture, excepting very small symbiotic regenerative practices youve never fucking heard of, ends in any future where we still have humans in a century. This is not a moral imperative. The future where thats viable is underwater and boiled to a grey lump. permalink fedilink source parent