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Update: anarchist.nexus has been refederated (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [M] to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world
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Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.

We're currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.

We will share further updates once we have them.

Update 2026-04-22 23:25 UTC: anarchist.nexus federation has been reactivated.

We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated.

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[โ€“] 80 points 4 months ago (28 children)

Okay, but was the person accused a Zionist? If so, why not eject/defederate/ultimatum them instead?

I'd prefer a federation of rabid anti-Zionists than one of Zionists. It's the Nazi bar analogy, because EVERYONE should be against Genocide.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

    So long as they're also anti-Russian imperialism in Ukraine (genocide) and anti-Chinese imperialism in Taiwan (also would be genocide).

    I notice many of these tankies suddenly have much to say defending these countries with atrocious records and blood on their hands as well.

    Edit: Case in point. If there's one Xi/Putin supporter at a table...

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  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    What about anti-Taiwan imperialism in China? Because Taiwan claims all of China and the 7 dotted line.

    Ukraine supports Zionism because that is an easy to to get support from America.

    You cannot be against Zionism and support Ukraine at the same time.

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  • [โ€“] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    What about anti-Taiwan imperialism in China? Because Taiwan claims all of China and the 7 dotted line.

    Taiwan has to maintain these heritage claims because repudiating them would effectively be de facto repudiating the 'one-china' agreement and equivalent to declaring independence, which China would take as a casus belli. It's a farce. No-one, Taiwan included, genuinely believes that they can get any of that land, nor that it would be desirable to pursue it.

    You cannot be against Zionism and support Ukraine at the same time.

    This is silly. So you assume every single person who supports Ukraine defending themselves against Russia is automatically pro-Israel?

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  • [+] -10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Taiwan doesn't have the military power to take over mainland China, but they certainly want to.

    The difference between a peaceful person and a harmless person is a peaceful person has the strength to cause harm but chooses not to, but a harmless person doesn't have the strength to cause harm, even if they wanted to.

    Taiwan wants to cause harm, but isn't capable of it. That doesn't mean they're any less imperialist than China. Don't forget they fought the communist party with everything they had and would do it again if they could.

    You cannot support a Zionist and not be a Zionist yourself.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 4 months ago

    Taiwan doesnโ€™t have the military power to take over mainland China, but they certainly want to.

    Based on what do you claim this?

    You cannot support a Zionist and not be a Zionist yourself.

    Supporting Ukraine defending themselves against Russia has nothing to do with Israel.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 4 months ago

    Taiwan doesnโ€™t have the military power to take over mainland China, but they certainly want to.

    bwahaha..... no, they don't. it would ruin the taiwanese economy to attempt and has never been a consideration. hilarious

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You cannot be against Zionism and support Ukraine at the same time.

    fucking watch me.

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  • [+] -20 points 4 months ago* (2 children)
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  • [+] -25 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    we are not zionists. if you call for zionists to be murdered and then call us zionists that is a call to murder us, despite a lot of people claiming that it's "just a harmless political slogan". this is normalization of mass murder. we do not tolerate genocide or other murders either, which is also an accusation that a lot of people are throwing around here. accusations of zionism, mostly from dbzer0/AN users, are constantly thrown around against people that they don't deem to be radical enough.

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  • [โ€“] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm sorry Kap, but you are 100% a zionist and you don't get to argue that. You simply don't get to claim you aren't one when your actions speak otherwise.

    When it comes to the whole 'murder all zionists thing', this just kind of proves the point that you are a zionist in the first place. No one who isn't a zionist would fly off the handle into such a petty rage like you have. There's also the fact that you're silencing voices, refusing to allow people to speak, and using collective punishment on the entirety of dbzero and anarchist nexus due to the actions of a single fucking individual.

    Yeah. You're a zionist Kap.

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    When it comes to the whole โ€˜murder all zionists thingโ€™, this just kind of proves the point that you are a zionist in the first place.

    No it doesn't. Luminous outright called Mr. Kaplan a Zionist, and drew a Swastika onto the logo of the FHF. I responded elsewhere in more detail but wanted to isolate this point here: you seem to assume that Mr Kaplan felt called out due to a guilty conscience or whatever, but that is not what the facts of the matter show in this situation. Luminous very clearly called for the actual irl murder of everyone in the FHF.

    And then, in their own words, preemptively banned MrKaplan.

    Thereโ€™s also the fact that youโ€™re silencing voices, refusing to allow people to speak

    Setting aside for the moment how Luminous abused their admin powers to do precisely that, and also btw did it first (Mr Kaplan's actions were taken in response to those of Luminous), yes that is exactly correct: the very many many many calls for outright, actual, irl murder coming from AN are now silenced, not visible to the users of LW.

    Anyone who wants to can still read them ofc, but LW provides that moderation service to anyone who would like to remain on LW and receive it.

    Not all of us are spoiling for a fight 100% of the time, and sometimes people just want to browse some memes once in awhile, ya'know? Without having to wade through calls for murder I mean. The rights of everyone on AN are nowhere being curtailed, i.e. they still retain full rights to speak as freely as they wish, but LW is done platforming such from them, echoing and amplifying and storing those messages on their machines the same as all of the other content on the Threadiverse. Like hexbear, AN got too problematic to have to try to figure out which communities were safer for consumption vs. which were too problematic, so since the numerous calls for violence were not being toned down and even being led by their admin team, the entire instance was defederated from. That's not a witch hunt, that's a response to very clear extremist rhetoric. LW users should not be forced into having to read MAGA-like language, even the leftist version that is supposedly on the "other side" (yet seems to behave so identically to it that I can barely tell a difference anymore).

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 4 months ago

    You have a user in this exact topic defending israeli genocidal actions that minimize the nekba claiming most palestinians left with no pressure. I reported multiple of his comments. You did not remove a single one of his comments. In fsct, besides one or two lemmy.world community, zionist posts never get removed. You may not be a zionist but you surely tolerate it

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Does Israel have a right to exist?

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  • [+] -13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In an ideal world where this could happen in a peaceful way? I wouldn't see an issue with that.

    In our current world where it seems that the only way for it to exist is one involving mass murder? Absolutely not.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 4 months ago

    Ok so you don't think israel has a right to exist and it's existance requires mass murder, that's good to hear!

    Do you think that this state should be dismantled then (through force since that's what's apparently necessary) to be replaced with a free palestine "from the river to the sea"?

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