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Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro with full Linux compatibility from the Start (frame.work)

submitted 4 months ago by sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.

Some quick information about the Device:

will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
Haptic Touchpad
and all the repairability features Framework is known for

You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:

I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:

HP Elitebook X g1a
the new Dell XPS 14
Asus Expertbook PM5 G2

or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!

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[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 4 months ago (21 children)

I appreciate the heads up, but I'm trying to buy from EU if I can.

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[–] mitram@sopuli.xyz 37 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I've heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.

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[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Tuxedo is actually who I'm probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I'm okay with being a "nice to have" for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!

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[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Tuxedo (and most of "European" and/or "Linux" brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.

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[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn't go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.

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[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago

I hope so. I'm still rooting for them

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

My purchase philosophy for every single item nowadays

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[–] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 1 point 4 months ago

Starlabs are an alternative if Europe extends to the UK for you.

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Europe doesn't make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?

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[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.

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[–] iglou@programming.dev 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I'd rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It's not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.

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[–] MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago

That's fair. As far as I'm aware, Tuxedo laptops have a good history with repairability, and I personally use my devices until they die and are no longer suitable for what I need them for, so I'm not all that worried about being horribly unsustainable with it. I've heard Tuxedo laptops are pretty high quality as well, so that kinda covers all my bases.

For me, there's the added moral imperative of spending less money on US companies as well, though. It's kind of a balancing act all around. I'm not judging you for picking what you pick, either, though. Just different strokes and all that.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 16 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Framework sells DIY kits so the European dude assembling the laptop could be himself!

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

That just means they assemble it, test that it works and disassemble to pack the DIY kit, lol

I remember framework posting that it takes more work to pack the DIY kits.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Huh interesting! I see playing on their website that an equivalent laptop is more expensive in the DIY version, it's just that the starting price includes no RAM, storage, etc.

So the DIY is for people who want to bring their own parts, not for people who want to get all the parts then save money!

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The DIY version also doesn't include a Windows license unless you want it.

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[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

Why would you want it

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[–] doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

To run windows

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[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

If you can build a laptop with the DIY kit, you can also install Windows and use massgrave or get a key on those sites with cheap keys

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[–] doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago

That is true, however for people who do not want to use massgrave or a company that needs to be careful about licensing and compliance, a windows key is a good option.

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

Can't you just like not verify Windows and just use it anyway

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[–] doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml 1 point 4 months ago

For a subset of features and versions often for a limited time, yes. For now.

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