▲ 639 ▼ Caitlyn Jenner asks Trump for help after impact of trans passport policy (www.newsweek.com) submitted 4 months ago* by Sunflier@lemmy.world to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world 92 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) LOL. Lemmy... downvoted for facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (2 children) Downvoted for deadnaming someone. It'd be a decent joke otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Serious question here. If someone was well known as a previous name and sex, is it still deadnaming to refer to them that was in a historical context? They’re a perfect example here. If looking for historical information on their racing history and articles, you have to refer to them as Bruce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago IMO, best practice is still to use the current name/pronouns. I think it's OK to say something like "Caitlyn, formerly known as Bruce" if clarity is needed and then proceed with current name going forward. In this instance, everyone knew who we were talking about so it was unnecessary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago* My personal take: If I'm synthesizing historical information and recounting it in the current day, I would use their current name and pronouns. The person they are today (or died as) still did those things. It also gives space to recognize that, although they might not gave had the opportunity to be out as a trans person during those achievements, doesn't mean they didn't feel trans back then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Janx@piefed.social 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) They didn't. Jenner went by Bruce and their gender identity was male at the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago Still best practice to use current name unless the person has specified otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hamid@crazypeople.online 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) In 2020 I was recalling a story about wanting to be them as a kid because of the Wheaties box and deadnamed them and people got really really mad at me. I had absolutely no idea they were the same person as Caitlyn Jenner, never seen or knew anything about the Kardashian's and had no idea they didn't just fall off and disappear completely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Like you, I am almost completely unaware of anything said or done by the Kardashians, and I love that for both of us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (2 children) Downvoted for deadnaming someone. It'd be a decent joke otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Serious question here. If someone was well known as a previous name and sex, is it still deadnaming to refer to them that was in a historical context? They’re a perfect example here. If looking for historical information on their racing history and articles, you have to refer to them as Bruce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago IMO, best practice is still to use the current name/pronouns. I think it's OK to say something like "Caitlyn, formerly known as Bruce" if clarity is needed and then proceed with current name going forward. In this instance, everyone knew who we were talking about so it was unnecessary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago* My personal take: If I'm synthesizing historical information and recounting it in the current day, I would use their current name and pronouns. The person they are today (or died as) still did those things. It also gives space to recognize that, although they might not gave had the opportunity to be out as a trans person during those achievements, doesn't mean they didn't feel trans back then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Janx@piefed.social 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) They didn't. Jenner went by Bruce and their gender identity was male at the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago Still best practice to use current name unless the person has specified otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hamid@crazypeople.online 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) In 2020 I was recalling a story about wanting to be them as a kid because of the Wheaties box and deadnamed them and people got really really mad at me. I had absolutely no idea they were the same person as Caitlyn Jenner, never seen or knew anything about the Kardashian's and had no idea they didn't just fall off and disappear completely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Like you, I am almost completely unaware of anything said or done by the Kardashians, and I love that for both of us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Serious question here. If someone was well known as a previous name and sex, is it still deadnaming to refer to them that was in a historical context? They’re a perfect example here. If looking for historical information on their racing history and articles, you have to refer to them as Bruce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago IMO, best practice is still to use the current name/pronouns. I think it's OK to say something like "Caitlyn, formerly known as Bruce" if clarity is needed and then proceed with current name going forward. In this instance, everyone knew who we were talking about so it was unnecessary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago* My personal take: If I'm synthesizing historical information and recounting it in the current day, I would use their current name and pronouns. The person they are today (or died as) still did those things. It also gives space to recognize that, although they might not gave had the opportunity to be out as a trans person during those achievements, doesn't mean they didn't feel trans back then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 13 points 4 months ago IMO, best practice is still to use the current name/pronouns. I think it's OK to say something like "Caitlyn, formerly known as Bruce" if clarity is needed and then proceed with current name going forward. In this instance, everyone knew who we were talking about so it was unnecessary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago* My personal take: If I'm synthesizing historical information and recounting it in the current day, I would use their current name and pronouns. The person they are today (or died as) still did those things. It also gives space to recognize that, although they might not gave had the opportunity to be out as a trans person during those achievements, doesn't mean they didn't feel trans back then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Janx@piefed.social 4 points 4 months ago (2 children) They didn't. Jenner went by Bruce and their gender identity was male at the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago Still best practice to use current name unless the person has specified otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hamid@crazypeople.online 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) In 2020 I was recalling a story about wanting to be them as a kid because of the Wheaties box and deadnamed them and people got really really mad at me. I had absolutely no idea they were the same person as Caitlyn Jenner, never seen or knew anything about the Kardashian's and had no idea they didn't just fall off and disappear completely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Like you, I am almost completely unaware of anything said or done by the Kardashians, and I love that for both of us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago Still best practice to use current name unless the person has specified otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) In 2020 I was recalling a story about wanting to be them as a kid because of the Wheaties box and deadnamed them and people got really really mad at me. I had absolutely no idea they were the same person as Caitlyn Jenner, never seen or knew anything about the Kardashian's and had no idea they didn't just fall off and disappear completely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Like you, I am almost completely unaware of anything said or done by the Kardashians, and I love that for both of us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Like you, I am almost completely unaware of anything said or done by the Kardashians, and I love that for both of us. permalink fedilink source parent
