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The USSR was the spine of the global working class (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 27 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Meanwhile I can look towards countries that were under capitalism in that same era, and it seems most of them are thriving (see: most of western Europe)

Your daily reminder that western liberals don't consider non westerners to be people

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  • [+] -18 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    ???

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Capitalism requires Infinite growth in a finite world which historically frequently leads to powerful capitalist countries competing for who can colonize and brutalize other countries and peoples in search for resources and new markets. Western capitalism is built on top of the bodies of those who aren't western or benefiting from capitalism. Hence the claim you don't consider us human, otherwise you'd consider that even though almost every country out there is capitalist most countries are extremely poor and overexploited.

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  • [+] -13 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    I see.

    My main point was limited to Europe and vicinity of the USSR. I did not mean for it to come off as dehumanising.

    I am more than aware of the faults and harm or capitalism, I am aware of how colonialism wrecked anything in it's path.

    To clarify: I was trying to explain how my country was poor, exploited and abused under soviet rule. I was trying to point out how these things did not just magically start after a change of regime, and that they were not happening before.

    Thank you for the clarification

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    My main point was limited to Europe and vicinity of the USSR. I did not mean for it to come off as dehumanising.

    Deciding to arbitrarily ignore the largest most sophisticated immiseration machine in history to only look at the benefits for the core of the empire is disingenuous at best and very clearly dehumanising to the millions who suffered so the core could enjoy those benefits.

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  • [+] -23 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Aren't you people here also ignoring the misery people suffered only to look at the benefits of the core?

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    Who is you people? I simply pointed out your framing of Europe as an independent entity from the mass immiseration it lead alongside the US for its own massive profit is arbitrary and dehuminising the pretty much the entire global south/periphery. Not to mind it being a bad start that leads to bad analysis and idiotic conclusions which I didn't bother to mention last time.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Are you implying that USSR were part of the core?

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  • [+] -21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    At the core of a system that claimed it's socialist, but kept spiraling more and more into totalitarianism and oppression? Yeah.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    The USSR was not "totalitarian," and it wasn't imperialist. When people speak of the imperial "core," we mean the US Empire and Western Europe, whose wealth comes from plundering the global south. The USSR was socialist and not at all imperialist, it was not an "imperial core." Your defense of the imperial core based on their wealth ignores that it was gained through plunder.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Oh I see, you have nothing so you're just coasting off of the same fairy tales and vague labels that don't actually say anything. God it must rule to be an anticommunist, you can just declare anything bad to be inexplicably communist and declare anything good to be Bad, Actually because something something no freedom no iphone, At What Cost?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    I am more than aware of the faults and harm or capitalism, I am aware of how colonialism wrecked anything in it’s path.

    Clearly you aren't, if you think the prosperity of western Europe can be separated from the brutal exploitation it used to gain its wealth. Essentially saying "my main point was limited to plantation owners, I'm well aware how bad slavery was to the slaves".

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