▲ 634 ▼ 'It doesn’t catch fire': Why China’s "fireproof" sodium battery could be the breakthrough that makes EVs safer than ICE cars (www.techradar.com) submitted 4 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 204 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/62209262
[+] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -29 points 4 months ago (3 children) That's incorrect. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/02/11/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/ EVs crash more. Safer cars crash less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bebabalula@feddit.dk 45 points 4 months ago (1 child) EVs Teslas crash more. “Some of these accidents involved Tesla’s self-driving system.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 months ago Tesla Fanboys have a way of hurting that there's a difference and increasingly big one these days because Tesla is increasingly small part of the electric vehicle landscape permalink fedilink source parent [–] glimse@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do you usually post links without reading them? Interestingly, the study attributes the problems to the drivers not the cars. Because aside from random catastrophic failure, the vehicle doesn't make you cash. The driver or Tesla's "self-driving" does permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Bad drivers and shitty "self driving" are how the cars are unsafe. No matter how it happens if they crash more often or have worse outcomes when they do, then they're less safe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Is this a bit account? Should the name have clued me in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago You may just be having trouble with the idea that people can reasonably and seriously see the world from a point of view other than your own. Or it's all a bit! Who can say? No matter how I answer it's not really evidence, you can draw a 2x2 decision matrix here for both answers and both possibilities. All four outcomes are plausible. Choose the answer that makes you happiest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) No, that's not the same thing. Something being used in a more dangerous way doesn't make it more dangerous or more unsafe. Driving a car at speed along a cliff in the dark in the rain is more unsafe than driving it slowly in an empty car park. It's the same car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If I included a self destruct button beside the AC controls and claimed that it was driver error that was the problem, how credible would that be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago That would be an unsafe car in all conditions and with all drivers. Sure, user error would play a part but a reasonable person could still cause a problem. Perhaps a better analogy will make a useful point. Is there a button for that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 8 points 4 months ago* crashing more means nothing about the safety of the car and everything about the safety of the average driver of the car, unless the manufacturer is directly at fault for the crash somehow. This is an unfixable problem and has nothing to do with whether it was gas or electric. The variables were not isolated at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bebabalula@feddit.dk 45 points 4 months ago (1 child) EVs Teslas crash more. “Some of these accidents involved Tesla’s self-driving system.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 months ago Tesla Fanboys have a way of hurting that there's a difference and increasingly big one these days because Tesla is increasingly small part of the electric vehicle landscape permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 months ago Tesla Fanboys have a way of hurting that there's a difference and increasingly big one these days because Tesla is increasingly small part of the electric vehicle landscape permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do you usually post links without reading them? Interestingly, the study attributes the problems to the drivers not the cars. Because aside from random catastrophic failure, the vehicle doesn't make you cash. The driver or Tesla's "self-driving" does permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Bad drivers and shitty "self driving" are how the cars are unsafe. No matter how it happens if they crash more often or have worse outcomes when they do, then they're less safe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Is this a bit account? Should the name have clued me in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago You may just be having trouble with the idea that people can reasonably and seriously see the world from a point of view other than your own. Or it's all a bit! Who can say? No matter how I answer it's not really evidence, you can draw a 2x2 decision matrix here for both answers and both possibilities. All four outcomes are plausible. Choose the answer that makes you happiest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) No, that's not the same thing. Something being used in a more dangerous way doesn't make it more dangerous or more unsafe. Driving a car at speed along a cliff in the dark in the rain is more unsafe than driving it slowly in an empty car park. It's the same car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If I included a self destruct button beside the AC controls and claimed that it was driver error that was the problem, how credible would that be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago That would be an unsafe car in all conditions and with all drivers. Sure, user error would play a part but a reasonable person could still cause a problem. Perhaps a better analogy will make a useful point. Is there a button for that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Bad drivers and shitty "self driving" are how the cars are unsafe. No matter how it happens if they crash more often or have worse outcomes when they do, then they're less safe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Is this a bit account? Should the name have clued me in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago You may just be having trouble with the idea that people can reasonably and seriously see the world from a point of view other than your own. Or it's all a bit! Who can say? No matter how I answer it's not really evidence, you can draw a 2x2 decision matrix here for both answers and both possibilities. All four outcomes are plausible. Choose the answer that makes you happiest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) No, that's not the same thing. Something being used in a more dangerous way doesn't make it more dangerous or more unsafe. Driving a car at speed along a cliff in the dark in the rain is more unsafe than driving it slowly in an empty car park. It's the same car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If I included a self destruct button beside the AC controls and claimed that it was driver error that was the problem, how credible would that be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago That would be an unsafe car in all conditions and with all drivers. Sure, user error would play a part but a reasonable person could still cause a problem. Perhaps a better analogy will make a useful point. Is there a button for that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Is this a bit account? Should the name have clued me in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago You may just be having trouble with the idea that people can reasonably and seriously see the world from a point of view other than your own. Or it's all a bit! Who can say? No matter how I answer it's not really evidence, you can draw a 2x2 decision matrix here for both answers and both possibilities. All four outcomes are plausible. Choose the answer that makes you happiest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago You may just be having trouble with the idea that people can reasonably and seriously see the world from a point of view other than your own. Or it's all a bit! Who can say? No matter how I answer it's not really evidence, you can draw a 2x2 decision matrix here for both answers and both possibilities. All four outcomes are plausible. Choose the answer that makes you happiest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) No, that's not the same thing. Something being used in a more dangerous way doesn't make it more dangerous or more unsafe. Driving a car at speed along a cliff in the dark in the rain is more unsafe than driving it slowly in an empty car park. It's the same car. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If I included a self destruct button beside the AC controls and claimed that it was driver error that was the problem, how credible would that be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago That would be an unsafe car in all conditions and with all drivers. Sure, user error would play a part but a reasonable person could still cause a problem. Perhaps a better analogy will make a useful point. Is there a button for that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) If I included a self destruct button beside the AC controls and claimed that it was driver error that was the problem, how credible would that be? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago That would be an unsafe car in all conditions and with all drivers. Sure, user error would play a part but a reasonable person could still cause a problem. Perhaps a better analogy will make a useful point. Is there a button for that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago That would be an unsafe car in all conditions and with all drivers. Sure, user error would play a part but a reasonable person could still cause a problem. Perhaps a better analogy will make a useful point. Is there a button for that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 8 points 4 months ago* crashing more means nothing about the safety of the car and everything about the safety of the average driver of the car, unless the manufacturer is directly at fault for the crash somehow. This is an unfixable problem and has nothing to do with whether it was gas or electric. The variables were not isolated at all. permalink fedilink source parent