▲ 332 ▼ Permanently deleted (beehaw.org) submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org to c/lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org 116 comments fedilink hide all child comments Permanently deleted
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org [S] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) resistant to corrections and get even more obstinate in the face of hostility Projection much? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 20 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Actually it’s a well established psychological phenomenon: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2466/09.02.10.CP.1.17 Got any actual response to my point or just more arrogant snark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think you were probably blocked for good reason, but that analysis does not mention a single thing about being obstinate in the face of hostility or aggression. In fact, the paper states "Several studies have tried to analyze components and qualities of resistance to change, but their conclusions have been, to a large extent, divergent." So the answer is actually "We dunno" not a trans person was mean to them for good reason and now they refuse to change. But yeah, by all means, keep tone policing and mis-representing meta-analysis permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was blocked because their insult didn’t land and they got upset. If you want to keep looking into it you’ll see, I’m referring to a real phenomenon and how it can affect the success of activism. Honestly though blocking me for a good faith comment and providing a source kinda backs my point to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're missing the forrest for the trees. It doesn't matter if people are obstinate in the face of a change in view. Nobody is denying that. The point is that it is not up to oppressed people to be nice to their oppressor. That Does not work Is at best tone policing The problem isn't the reaction to hate, the problem is the hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* Yeah I heard at the end of World War II the Jewish people all got together and bought presents for Hitler and he was like "Oh wow, I've been so wrong, Jewish people are good!" (it also helped that he watched 21 Jump Street) and then he released them all and that was the end of that. /s The idea that you can bring your oppressors around by being kind to them is some fucking stockholm syndrome shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 20 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Actually it’s a well established psychological phenomenon: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2466/09.02.10.CP.1.17 Got any actual response to my point or just more arrogant snark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think you were probably blocked for good reason, but that analysis does not mention a single thing about being obstinate in the face of hostility or aggression. In fact, the paper states "Several studies have tried to analyze components and qualities of resistance to change, but their conclusions have been, to a large extent, divergent." So the answer is actually "We dunno" not a trans person was mean to them for good reason and now they refuse to change. But yeah, by all means, keep tone policing and mis-representing meta-analysis permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was blocked because their insult didn’t land and they got upset. If you want to keep looking into it you’ll see, I’m referring to a real phenomenon and how it can affect the success of activism. Honestly though blocking me for a good faith comment and providing a source kinda backs my point to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're missing the forrest for the trees. It doesn't matter if people are obstinate in the face of a change in view. Nobody is denying that. The point is that it is not up to oppressed people to be nice to their oppressor. That Does not work Is at best tone policing The problem isn't the reaction to hate, the problem is the hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* Yeah I heard at the end of World War II the Jewish people all got together and bought presents for Hitler and he was like "Oh wow, I've been so wrong, Jewish people are good!" (it also helped that he watched 21 Jump Street) and then he released them all and that was the end of that. /s The idea that you can bring your oppressors around by being kind to them is some fucking stockholm syndrome shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think you were probably blocked for good reason, but that analysis does not mention a single thing about being obstinate in the face of hostility or aggression. In fact, the paper states "Several studies have tried to analyze components and qualities of resistance to change, but their conclusions have been, to a large extent, divergent." So the answer is actually "We dunno" not a trans person was mean to them for good reason and now they refuse to change. But yeah, by all means, keep tone policing and mis-representing meta-analysis permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was blocked because their insult didn’t land and they got upset. If you want to keep looking into it you’ll see, I’m referring to a real phenomenon and how it can affect the success of activism. Honestly though blocking me for a good faith comment and providing a source kinda backs my point to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're missing the forrest for the trees. It doesn't matter if people are obstinate in the face of a change in view. Nobody is denying that. The point is that it is not up to oppressed people to be nice to their oppressor. That Does not work Is at best tone policing The problem isn't the reaction to hate, the problem is the hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* Yeah I heard at the end of World War II the Jewish people all got together and bought presents for Hitler and he was like "Oh wow, I've been so wrong, Jewish people are good!" (it also helped that he watched 21 Jump Street) and then he released them all and that was the end of that. /s The idea that you can bring your oppressors around by being kind to them is some fucking stockholm syndrome shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was blocked because their insult didn’t land and they got upset. If you want to keep looking into it you’ll see, I’m referring to a real phenomenon and how it can affect the success of activism. Honestly though blocking me for a good faith comment and providing a source kinda backs my point to be honest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're missing the forrest for the trees. It doesn't matter if people are obstinate in the face of a change in view. Nobody is denying that. The point is that it is not up to oppressed people to be nice to their oppressor. That Does not work Is at best tone policing The problem isn't the reaction to hate, the problem is the hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* Yeah I heard at the end of World War II the Jewish people all got together and bought presents for Hitler and he was like "Oh wow, I've been so wrong, Jewish people are good!" (it also helped that he watched 21 Jump Street) and then he released them all and that was the end of that. /s The idea that you can bring your oppressors around by being kind to them is some fucking stockholm syndrome shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're missing the forrest for the trees. It doesn't matter if people are obstinate in the face of a change in view. Nobody is denying that. The point is that it is not up to oppressed people to be nice to their oppressor. That Does not work Is at best tone policing The problem isn't the reaction to hate, the problem is the hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* Yeah I heard at the end of World War II the Jewish people all got together and bought presents for Hitler and he was like "Oh wow, I've been so wrong, Jewish people are good!" (it also helped that he watched 21 Jump Street) and then he released them all and that was the end of that. /s The idea that you can bring your oppressors around by being kind to them is some fucking stockholm syndrome shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago* Yeah I heard at the end of World War II the Jewish people all got together and bought presents for Hitler and he was like "Oh wow, I've been so wrong, Jewish people are good!" (it also helped that he watched 21 Jump Street) and then he released them all and that was the end of that. /s The idea that you can bring your oppressors around by being kind to them is some fucking stockholm syndrome shit. permalink fedilink source parent