▲ 313 ▼ European Union finds PornHub, Stripchat, XNXX and XVideos in breach of the Digital Services Act for allowing minors to access their services (ec.europa.eu) submitted 5 months ago by Beep@lemmus.org to c/technology@lemmy.world 112 comments fedilink hide all child comments The European Commission preliminarily found Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX and XVideos in breach of the Digital Services Act (DSA) for failing to protect minors from being exposed to pornographic content on their services.
[+] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Some might be upvoting this in cheeky irony, but I see this as a modest proposal. This position deserves a longer form article & widespread publication, and numerous calculations & studies detailing how much more ethically beneficial this would be for society. Would it not be more efficient to curb idiocy among the masses by regulating people's choices in population control than conducting intimate mass government surveillance? Would it not be a higher ethical stance to give people the illusion of choice by making them work for the privilege of birthing, maintenance, and management of another human being? Counterpoint: it is cheaper and cost-effective to dehumanize and control the masses with the technical advances we have today , and-also, to hell with ethics. Think about it. If car manufacturers would be made responsible for designing cars to identify bad actors, we wouldn't have to deal with the inevitable consequences of people who gain their driving licenses but bend the rules anyway. We could do with discarding licensing altogether because it's not perfect. Only by singling out and reprimanding each person for their faults with the conviction of a Walmart micromanager and the ruthless efficiency of Palantir surveillance - can we create a more perfect bubble of safety for society. (I don't have time to even pretend to cough up statistics, k thx bye) permalink fedilink source parent [+] tmyakal@infosec.pub -19 points 5 months ago (5 children) Ah, the classic dichotomy: privacy vs eugenics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago (4 children) It's not eugenics if you just confiscate them at birth. This is already being done with severely unfit parents permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago (3 children) One: that's not what was suggested. OP said parental verification/authorization before birth. Two: you're proposing something like residential schools instead. Which, even if you don't agree constituted genocide, was still pretty bad. I'm not advocating for our government's insane privacy-violating measures. Just pointing out that OP's proposal is worse. There's got to be better ways to protect children than "police state" or "genocide." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago I'm not proposing anything, I'm saying that if you're a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it's not that far-fetched. Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that's not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I cannot believe the downvoting coming your way for this. On one - how the abuse of this cannot be foreseen by the most clueless person is beyond me. On two - are people under the impression that the current child welfare system is adequate for the children that are currently in it? What about that system makes them think it would be suitable to increase the number of children in care. Fucking mental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn't the target audience for that particular reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Some might be upvoting this in cheeky irony, but I see this as a modest proposal. This position deserves a longer form article & widespread publication, and numerous calculations & studies detailing how much more ethically beneficial this would be for society. Would it not be more efficient to curb idiocy among the masses by regulating people's choices in population control than conducting intimate mass government surveillance? Would it not be a higher ethical stance to give people the illusion of choice by making them work for the privilege of birthing, maintenance, and management of another human being? Counterpoint: it is cheaper and cost-effective to dehumanize and control the masses with the technical advances we have today , and-also, to hell with ethics. Think about it. If car manufacturers would be made responsible for designing cars to identify bad actors, we wouldn't have to deal with the inevitable consequences of people who gain their driving licenses but bend the rules anyway. We could do with discarding licensing altogether because it's not perfect. Only by singling out and reprimanding each person for their faults with the conviction of a Walmart micromanager and the ruthless efficiency of Palantir surveillance - can we create a more perfect bubble of safety for society. (I don't have time to even pretend to cough up statistics, k thx bye) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] tmyakal@infosec.pub -19 points 5 months ago (5 children) Ah, the classic dichotomy: privacy vs eugenics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago (4 children) It's not eugenics if you just confiscate them at birth. This is already being done with severely unfit parents permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago (3 children) One: that's not what was suggested. OP said parental verification/authorization before birth. Two: you're proposing something like residential schools instead. Which, even if you don't agree constituted genocide, was still pretty bad. I'm not advocating for our government's insane privacy-violating measures. Just pointing out that OP's proposal is worse. There's got to be better ways to protect children than "police state" or "genocide." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago I'm not proposing anything, I'm saying that if you're a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it's not that far-fetched. Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that's not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I cannot believe the downvoting coming your way for this. On one - how the abuse of this cannot be foreseen by the most clueless person is beyond me. On two - are people under the impression that the current child welfare system is adequate for the children that are currently in it? What about that system makes them think it would be suitable to increase the number of children in care. Fucking mental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn't the target audience for that particular reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago (4 children) It's not eugenics if you just confiscate them at birth. This is already being done with severely unfit parents permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago (3 children) One: that's not what was suggested. OP said parental verification/authorization before birth. Two: you're proposing something like residential schools instead. Which, even if you don't agree constituted genocide, was still pretty bad. I'm not advocating for our government's insane privacy-violating measures. Just pointing out that OP's proposal is worse. There's got to be better ways to protect children than "police state" or "genocide." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago I'm not proposing anything, I'm saying that if you're a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it's not that far-fetched. Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that's not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I cannot believe the downvoting coming your way for this. On one - how the abuse of this cannot be foreseen by the most clueless person is beyond me. On two - are people under the impression that the current child welfare system is adequate for the children that are currently in it? What about that system makes them think it would be suitable to increase the number of children in care. Fucking mental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn't the target audience for that particular reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago (3 children) One: that's not what was suggested. OP said parental verification/authorization before birth. Two: you're proposing something like residential schools instead. Which, even if you don't agree constituted genocide, was still pretty bad. I'm not advocating for our government's insane privacy-violating measures. Just pointing out that OP's proposal is worse. There's got to be better ways to protect children than "police state" or "genocide." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago I'm not proposing anything, I'm saying that if you're a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it's not that far-fetched. Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that's not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I cannot believe the downvoting coming your way for this. On one - how the abuse of this cannot be foreseen by the most clueless person is beyond me. On two - are people under the impression that the current child welfare system is adequate for the children that are currently in it? What about that system makes them think it would be suitable to increase the number of children in care. Fucking mental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn't the target audience for that particular reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago I'm not proposing anything, I'm saying that if you're a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it's not that far-fetched. Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that's not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) I cannot believe the downvoting coming your way for this. On one - how the abuse of this cannot be foreseen by the most clueless person is beyond me. On two - are people under the impression that the current child welfare system is adequate for the children that are currently in it? What about that system makes them think it would be suitable to increase the number of children in care. Fucking mental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn't the target audience for that particular reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn't the target audience for that particular reality. permalink fedilink source parent