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what's the asshole mitigation plan? (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world
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So far Lemmy is vibing. Everyone here is excited and optimistic and willing to put up with a few rough spots to be part of something.

When the Eternal September comes, which it will, how does a Lemmy instance deal with bad actors?

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[–] [S] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Agreed on all points! It turns out Lemmy has a mechanism for federating block lists. What will be interesting is when instances disagree about bans. If you get banned from an instance because - hypothetically - you disagree with the actions of one government or another, it's not obvious to me that other instances should repeat the ban.

Will we end up with islands of trust?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Yes, as we always do, digital systems should represent the real world, not be a distortion of it. Protocols are meant to standardize communication but the rights to re-distribution have never been guaranteed . Now many understand why this may not even be feasible in a real way.

    There will never be just "one zone" and there shouldn't be, however control over your interaction with these zones should be up to you not brokered by a proxy. To a degree we do this out of necessity though IMO the larger goal would be to give the user the ultimate option even if deployed infra is helping make it happen.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Yes, as we always do, digital systems should represent the real world, not be a distortion of it.

    It's OK for online systems to represent a projection of the real world. Not every feature of the real world needs to be represented in every online system.

    It's OK for the furries to have their server where everyone pretends to be tigers and dragons.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    its also ok for them to go to private residences and dress the part, im usually speaking of data, trust and execution realms. These need to represent the real world since things like giving up your ownership of your data and systems should not be a requirement to use a novel app. This is not how the internet was intended to operate and in the days of 6ghz silicon and ultrafast dram the cryptographic overhead of doing things in a way where you own your digital domain in the same way you might own a house is very real.

    Where you want the technology to not represent the real world is in its abilities to scale, and that's what's really crazy where were are with technology today individuals can be companies and small teams are international orgs. This is not just a concept for entrepreneurs but a concept for anyone who wants to take more control over thier presence.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's still okay for people who don't dress the part to pretend to be tigers and dragons online.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    thats not what i mean either, just like in the real world you can wear masks and costumes or not. you can even wear masks that arent obvious simply pretending to be entirely different people. what else are you looking for, hit me with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    It's a damn necessity if you want to avoid a situation like Mastodon had with Gab joining the fediverse.

    Imagine the absolute shitshow if a white-supremacist Reddit clone like Poal suddenly integrated their site with Lemmy...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'm somewhere between libertarian and progressive, I vote for mainstream Democrats, and I'm not super thrilled with the tankie situation 'round these parts. When I get around to running one of these things, you better bet I'm not peering with the Klan.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I'm pretty far from Marxist myself, but I gotta say, I can't see a system like Lemmy coming up at this point in the lifecycle of the internet except through that kind of ideology. I'll gladly verbally bitch-slap a tankie for their pro-Putler bs, but the fact that an alt-right instance can (and probably does) exist is proof that true freedom of speech can exist only on a free and open platform like Lemmy. Fuck whatever Elon thought it was.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    So much for the tolerant le–

    Hopefully you've got the Paradox of Tolerance on hand, because you'll end up quoting it a lot with every 'free speech!' person who shows up angry that you banned someone for throwing slurs around.

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