▲ 2039 ▼ GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating systems — group says it will never require personal information (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 5 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 224 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (6 children) If the US government bans Graphene, Motorola will drop them in 1/1000th of a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) The rest of the planet may have something to say on that front. There IS more to the world than naziland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (4 children) Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. And companies will bend over backwards to appease Nazis so long as it's more profitable to do so than not. Within the US we have issues with all the US History books being written to comply with Texas's "slavery was actually good for black people" bullshit because Texas is such a big market and everybody wants in on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes, other markets on the planet are marginal. Never mind that the EU is actually larger. In many metrics than the US. It's not even in the "funny" pages of us websites, so apart to a minority of educated readers, it doesn't even exist. And let's not even start about the rest of the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) But meeting the US's requirements doesn't prevent products from being sold in Europe. It's the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that's only required in California. Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not for long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And why? They cant compete in usa anyway if they use android permalink fedilink source parent [–] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. "Thank God the Titanic was built so tough, or that iceberg we just hit might be a problem…" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago Fuck the usa permalink fedilink source parent [–] collar@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) How does the government ban an os? Can't is a strong word, but I don't see that happening. It's a Canadian based foundation, not a Chinese or Russian company where they could argue national security in the same way they did with Huawei or TikTok. It's more likely a federal os-level age verification law gets passed and grapheneOS compromises or backs out out of the US market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago GrapheneOS is not a company doing business. If they're banned, that just means Motorola can't sell pre-installed phones, but that doesn't change anything about the phone compatibility with GOS. You'll have to install it yourself, just like today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They're trying to argue national security for Anthropic, a US based company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Archr@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* That only bans the use of anthropic for government use. So no government entities or contractors could use it. We already do this for some other companies. BOD 17-01 Edit. Granted what they are doing for anthropic is slightly different since it is an executive order not a BOD. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The idea is that you can sell a phone without a system, but you can always enter one in binary through the power switch. See? Win Win! permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Do you think Motorola would lock their bootloader or only stop selling the a phone pre-installed with graphene? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kepix@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago do you really think someone gonna actually care if an operating system has age verification beyond the mainstream ones...and so what, they gonna set up another mirror. big deal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (6 children) If the US government bans Graphene, Motorola will drop them in 1/1000th of a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) The rest of the planet may have something to say on that front. There IS more to the world than naziland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (4 children) Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. And companies will bend over backwards to appease Nazis so long as it's more profitable to do so than not. Within the US we have issues with all the US History books being written to comply with Texas's "slavery was actually good for black people" bullshit because Texas is such a big market and everybody wants in on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes, other markets on the planet are marginal. Never mind that the EU is actually larger. In many metrics than the US. It's not even in the "funny" pages of us websites, so apart to a minority of educated readers, it doesn't even exist. And let's not even start about the rest of the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) But meeting the US's requirements doesn't prevent products from being sold in Europe. It's the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that's only required in California. Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not for long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And why? They cant compete in usa anyway if they use android permalink fedilink source parent [–] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. "Thank God the Titanic was built so tough, or that iceberg we just hit might be a problem…" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago Fuck the usa permalink fedilink source parent [–] collar@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) How does the government ban an os? Can't is a strong word, but I don't see that happening. It's a Canadian based foundation, not a Chinese or Russian company where they could argue national security in the same way they did with Huawei or TikTok. It's more likely a federal os-level age verification law gets passed and grapheneOS compromises or backs out out of the US market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago GrapheneOS is not a company doing business. If they're banned, that just means Motorola can't sell pre-installed phones, but that doesn't change anything about the phone compatibility with GOS. You'll have to install it yourself, just like today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They're trying to argue national security for Anthropic, a US based company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Archr@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* That only bans the use of anthropic for government use. So no government entities or contractors could use it. We already do this for some other companies. BOD 17-01 Edit. Granted what they are doing for anthropic is slightly different since it is an executive order not a BOD. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The idea is that you can sell a phone without a system, but you can always enter one in binary through the power switch. See? Win Win! permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Do you think Motorola would lock their bootloader or only stop selling the a phone pre-installed with graphene? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kepix@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago do you really think someone gonna actually care if an operating system has age verification beyond the mainstream ones...and so what, they gonna set up another mirror. big deal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 child) The rest of the planet may have something to say on that front. There IS more to the world than naziland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (4 children) Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. And companies will bend over backwards to appease Nazis so long as it's more profitable to do so than not. Within the US we have issues with all the US History books being written to comply with Texas's "slavery was actually good for black people" bullshit because Texas is such a big market and everybody wants in on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes, other markets on the planet are marginal. Never mind that the EU is actually larger. In many metrics than the US. It's not even in the "funny" pages of us websites, so apart to a minority of educated readers, it doesn't even exist. And let's not even start about the rest of the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) But meeting the US's requirements doesn't prevent products from being sold in Europe. It's the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that's only required in California. Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not for long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And why? They cant compete in usa anyway if they use android permalink fedilink source parent [–] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. "Thank God the Titanic was built so tough, or that iceberg we just hit might be a problem…" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (4 children) Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. And companies will bend over backwards to appease Nazis so long as it's more profitable to do so than not. Within the US we have issues with all the US History books being written to comply with Texas's "slavery was actually good for black people" bullshit because Texas is such a big market and everybody wants in on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes, other markets on the planet are marginal. Never mind that the EU is actually larger. In many metrics than the US. It's not even in the "funny" pages of us websites, so apart to a minority of educated readers, it doesn't even exist. And let's not even start about the rest of the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) But meeting the US's requirements doesn't prevent products from being sold in Europe. It's the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that's only required in California. Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago Not for long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And why? They cant compete in usa anyway if they use android permalink fedilink source parent [–] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. "Thank God the Titanic was built so tough, or that iceberg we just hit might be a problem…" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yes, other markets on the planet are marginal. Never mind that the EU is actually larger. In many metrics than the US. It's not even in the "funny" pages of us websites, so apart to a minority of educated readers, it doesn't even exist. And let's not even start about the rest of the planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) But meeting the US's requirements doesn't prevent products from being sold in Europe. It's the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that's only required in California. Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) But meeting the US's requirements doesn't prevent products from being sold in Europe. It's the same reason film studios started pandering to China and why frying pans sold in Florida have a cancerous materials warning label that's only required in California. Companies cater to restrictive regulations in major markets because those products are still legal in less-restrictive territories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago You've got this all wrong. If anything, meeting us requirements would make eu people more suspicious of whatever product it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago And why? They cant compete in usa anyway if they use android permalink fedilink source parent
[–] obvs@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago Yes, but the US is a huge, profitable market. "Thank God the Titanic was built so tough, or that iceberg we just hit might be a problem…" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] collar@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (3 children) How does the government ban an os? Can't is a strong word, but I don't see that happening. It's a Canadian based foundation, not a Chinese or Russian company where they could argue national security in the same way they did with Huawei or TikTok. It's more likely a federal os-level age verification law gets passed and grapheneOS compromises or backs out out of the US market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago GrapheneOS is not a company doing business. If they're banned, that just means Motorola can't sell pre-installed phones, but that doesn't change anything about the phone compatibility with GOS. You'll have to install it yourself, just like today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They're trying to argue national security for Anthropic, a US based company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Archr@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* That only bans the use of anthropic for government use. So no government entities or contractors could use it. We already do this for some other companies. BOD 17-01 Edit. Granted what they are doing for anthropic is slightly different since it is an executive order not a BOD. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The idea is that you can sell a phone without a system, but you can always enter one in binary through the power switch. See? Win Win! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago GrapheneOS is not a company doing business. If they're banned, that just means Motorola can't sell pre-installed phones, but that doesn't change anything about the phone compatibility with GOS. You'll have to install it yourself, just like today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) They're trying to argue national security for Anthropic, a US based company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Archr@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* That only bans the use of anthropic for government use. So no government entities or contractors could use it. We already do this for some other companies. BOD 17-01 Edit. Granted what they are doing for anthropic is slightly different since it is an executive order not a BOD. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Archr@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* That only bans the use of anthropic for government use. So no government entities or contractors could use it. We already do this for some other companies. BOD 17-01 Edit. Granted what they are doing for anthropic is slightly different since it is an executive order not a BOD. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago The idea is that you can sell a phone without a system, but you can always enter one in binary through the power switch. See? Win Win! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Do you think Motorola would lock their bootloader or only stop selling the a phone pre-installed with graphene? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kepix@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago do you really think someone gonna actually care if an operating system has age verification beyond the mainstream ones...and so what, they gonna set up another mirror. big deal. permalink fedilink source parent