“This is how we should order our lives together,” he said. “And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but this is good and right and just if it lines up with God’s standards, and I am going to enforce my morality on you in as much as our morality is God’s morality.”

“You should always check yourselves,” he continued. “Do I believe what God believes? Am I defending what God says is good?”

“And if it is, then you should have the courage to say, ‘This is how we’re going to run our town, this is how we’re going to run our county, this is how we’re going to run our state, and this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.'”

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[–] 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm not christian, but I think my moral values of not committing heinous acts are superior to the Christian values of those acts being ok if you ask sky daddy forgiveness afterwards.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Raised Catholic, currently atheist:

    That's not really what is said in the bible about forgiveness - it's very clearly stated that god knows your heart and there is no forgiveness without true penance. That's not "say 5 hail mary's and 3 lord's prayer and you're all good", that's a run-off effect of the middle-ages "indulgences", where someone could be "forgiven" their sins for a payment to the church.

    Actual forgiveness as described several times in the bible explicitly requires the confessor to be truly sorry for their sin (contrition), and a real commitment to do better in the future. This is a fairly concise summary of what the bible says about contrition, confession and forgiveness: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/contrition.htm

    TL;DR - There is no forgiveness if you are not truly sorry and if you don't do your best to be better.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Ah, I see you're trying to crusade, please indulge me: is correcting somebody who's being facetious and antichristian worth your time while you could be doing something to fight white christofascism? Or are you providing them smokescreen?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Not sure how you got that from my comment, or why you decided to be snarky in your reply, but whatever. My statement is that even in their dogma, they're doing it wrong and if any of it were true, they'd be going to hell regardless.

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