▲ 846 ▼ PewDiePie Promoting Self-Hosting, Blocking Ads, Shorts and more (www.youtube.com) submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world 258 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 5 months ago (2 children) can already tell this is gonna be the most insufferable comment section of all time permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Linearity@infosec.pub 27 points 5 months ago (4 children) Wtf is wrong with this place, why is everyone fighting And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I mean I'm just here because of the API thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Theres no place for nuance here, get outta here! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Same, and I'd count that as contrarian behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago No it's not! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago Yer this whole experiment just recreated post Aaron Reddit culture but pre API changes permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children) And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie? He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’. After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It's the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort. I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Sorry, but something I've had to learn with time is that it really doesn't matter who's operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying "Death to all jews". There's no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what's important, not how much they were "only joking". Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just "trying to get away with it" and don't care who they hurt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago Yeah I'm certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but... No he didn't? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) hed did a bad thing that one time Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Logical@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I don't really see the things he did and said (he didn't AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking "a fascist turn". Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there's a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I'm under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he's more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he's doing as a public figure now. It's quite clear he's no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn't been for some time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago The nazi who shot and killed 51 Muslim worshipers in Christchurch in 2017, shouted 'subscribe to pewdiepie' at the start of his live streamed rampage you'll have to excuse me if I never let that go permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Didn't downvote. I'm old...like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I've never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) are you bitter? if not then you dont apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Never tasted myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm old. I never understood the appeal of that cunt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago Homie, they couldn't waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children) You sure about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Linearity@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (2 children) He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orochi02@feddit.org 10 points 5 months ago You mean Here on fedi? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linearity@infosec.pub 27 points 5 months ago (4 children) Wtf is wrong with this place, why is everyone fighting And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I mean I'm just here because of the API thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Theres no place for nuance here, get outta here! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Same, and I'd count that as contrarian behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago No it's not! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago Yer this whole experiment just recreated post Aaron Reddit culture but pre API changes permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children) And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie? He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’. After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It's the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort. I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Sorry, but something I've had to learn with time is that it really doesn't matter who's operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying "Death to all jews". There's no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what's important, not how much they were "only joking". Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just "trying to get away with it" and don't care who they hurt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago Yeah I'm certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but... No he didn't? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) hed did a bad thing that one time Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Logical@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I don't really see the things he did and said (he didn't AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking "a fascist turn". Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there's a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I'm under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he's more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he's doing as a public figure now. It's quite clear he's no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn't been for some time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago The nazi who shot and killed 51 Muslim worshipers in Christchurch in 2017, shouted 'subscribe to pewdiepie' at the start of his live streamed rampage you'll have to excuse me if I never let that go permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Didn't downvote. I'm old...like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I've never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) are you bitter? if not then you dont apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Never tasted myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm old. I never understood the appeal of that cunt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago Homie, they couldn't waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children) You sure about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Linearity@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (2 children) He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) This is a site populated mostly by the too edgy or too contrarian for Reddit, with the same flaws in incentive systems as Reddit, why are you surprised lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I mean I'm just here because of the API thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Theres no place for nuance here, get outta here! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Same, and I'd count that as contrarian behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago No it's not! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago Yer this whole experiment just recreated post Aaron Reddit culture but pre API changes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 months ago (2 children) I mean I'm just here because of the API thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Theres no place for nuance here, get outta here! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Same, and I'd count that as contrarian behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago No it's not! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago Theres no place for nuance here, get outta here! /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Same, and I'd count that as contrarian behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago No it's not! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago Yer this whole experiment just recreated post Aaron Reddit culture but pre API changes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (4 children) And why does it seem like they all hate Pewdiepie? He took a fascist turn during Trump 1 and never really recovered his image. Got into a bunch of weird exploitative shit, not unlike Mr Beast. The most notable being when he tested the Fiverr service and paid five dollars to get Indian freelance actors to laugh and show a sign saying ‘Death to all Jews’. After that, he started getting deplatformed and his following fell off considerably. So, like a bunch of other has-been YouTube starlets, he decided to get even more edgy and reactionary, further poisoning his image. It's the same death spiral Russell Brand and Rob Schneider fell down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort. I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Sorry, but something I've had to learn with time is that it really doesn't matter who's operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying "Death to all jews". There's no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what's important, not how much they were "only joking". Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just "trying to get away with it" and don't care who they hurt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago Yeah I'm certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but... No he didn't? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) hed did a bad thing that one time Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Logical@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I don't really see the things he did and said (he didn't AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking "a fascist turn". Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there's a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I'm under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he's more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he's doing as a public figure now. It's quite clear he's no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn't been for some time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago The nazi who shot and killed 51 Muslim worshipers in Christchurch in 2017, shouted 'subscribe to pewdiepie' at the start of his live streamed rampage you'll have to excuse me if I never let that go permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (2 children) Not to defend them or completely dismiss their part in all that, pretty sure it was just someone else sending the fiverr video to them and them opening it while streaming. But the latter incident, where they shouted some slurs on air while playing some game, that’s I think more inexcusable. But I always got the impression they never were actual nazi or far right despite the subject matter of the incidents, it’s more just them being an idiot and trying to be funny and edgy for content and missing the target entirely on a couple of occasions. I think the aftermath speaks for itself, they did some reflecting and ended up changing the formula and content type entirely, and we are now seeing the fruits of that effort. I don’t mean to belittle the shit they’ve pulled, but I also don’t want to paint anyone irredeemable, even less when they actually manage to do introspection and change. We should encourage that and highlight that instead. I’d reserve the unconditional hate and spite for those that deserve it, that don’t change, don’t reflect, perhaps actually mean the things they do and say, with passion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Sorry, but something I've had to learn with time is that it really doesn't matter who's operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying "Death to all jews". There's no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what's important, not how much they were "only joking". Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just "trying to get away with it" and don't care who they hurt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago Is bigotry for clout not somehow worse than at least holding a bigoted conviction? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Katana314@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Sorry, but something I've had to learn with time is that it really doesn't matter who's operating the gas chamber, if their actions rely on hundreds of other people openly saying "Death to all jews". There's no importance to whether those people would ever pull the lever themselves. The language is what's important, not how much they were "only joking". Both an ultra-racist and an edgy teen in their late 20s are just "trying to get away with it" and don't care who they hurt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Damn, WSJ really succeeded in their campaign permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago Yeah I'm certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but... No he didn't? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) hed did a bad thing that one time Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago Yeah I'm certainly not going to claim to be an avid or long time watcher of pewdiepie but... No he didn't? The fiverr thing happened, sure. But the rest of that is wild conjecture and misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) no its just virtue signalers and keyboard warriors remembering hed did a bad thing that one time on the bridge and assumed hes a Nazi now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) hed did a bad thing that one time Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 child) hed did a bad thing that one time Far more than the one time. He had a whole routine about exploiting overseas labor to perform humiliating stunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) Nah I'm not going to take a lecturing, each 'incident' can v easily have been explained, it's why a lot of people on this page aren't taking you guys seriously, your type are to tightly wound up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (1 child) each ‘incident’ can v easily have been explained You hear this from serial sexual harassers all the time. Every individual incident has plausible deniability. It's the trend line that eventually catches up with you. your type are to tightly wound up My type being... big budget advertisers on YouTube? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago Now your implying I'm a rapist, go Fuck yourself, that I'm not going to put up with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Logical@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I don't really see the things he did and said (he didn't AFAIK actually make that fiverr order btw) as taking "a fascist turn". Not excusing him using slurs on stream or his weird dogwhistles to fascists during that period, though, he certainly did and said things he should not have. But I think there's a difference between farming edgy meme culture, in an insensitive way, for views, and actually espousing fascist views and trying to convert people to them. I might be missing something, and I'm under no illusion that the guy is some perfectly kind and humble person, but I think he's more than made up for his prior mistakes as a public figure, with what he's doing as a public figure now. It's quite clear he's no longer in the cancerous influencer rat race, and hasn't been for some time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago The nazi who shot and killed 51 Muslim worshipers in Christchurch in 2017, shouted 'subscribe to pewdiepie' at the start of his live streamed rampage you'll have to excuse me if I never let that go permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) lot of old farts on here that never grew up on youtube, just ignore the bitter old heads and people who think there too highspeed to have ever enjoyed his videos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Didn't downvote. I'm old...like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I've never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) are you bitter? if not then you dont apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Never tasted myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Didn't downvote. I'm old...like probably the oldest user here, and tho I have heard of Pewdiepie, I've never seen any of his videos nor do I know any of his lore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) are you bitter? if not then you dont apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Never tasted myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) are you bitter? if not then you dont apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Never tasted myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 child) Never tasted myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SanicHegehog@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Me either, I'm too old and inflexible to try that anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm old. I never understood the appeal of that cunt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago Homie, they couldn't waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children) You sure about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Linearity@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (2 children) He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 months ago (3 children) Im old and I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago Homie, they couldn't waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children) You sure about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Linearity@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (2 children) He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago Homie, they couldn't waterboard me into posting that sentence publicly permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children) You sure about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Linearity@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (2 children) He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linearity@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (2 children) He said the nword once (terrible thing), almost a decade ago, apologized for it and improved (I guess) as a person I’m sick of internet people calling for a guillotine whenever someone makes a mistake even once permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 5 months ago yeah, its part of why the internet sucks, you make some bad decisions, fall for some stupid propaganda or listen to the wrong person, and you're branded forever. People make bad decisions. It happens. gods forbid someone make a mistake and then take a step back to reexamine their lives to try and be a better person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago The person I was responding to said I personally love him for being the same guy all this years. My point was not necessarily that he needs to be excommunicated from humanity, but that they might want to reconsider whether him "being the same guy all this years" is a good thing (I do not actually give a single shit about Pewdiepie in any fashion positive or negative) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Maybe is because im not from US but i dont give a damn about this stuff. He is swedish so I totally get that he didnt gave a damn at the time either. This Nword stuff is a strange cultural trait of one of the most racial aware countries in the world that, btw, is very racist overall. And I agree that now he is more mature but I dont thing he essentially changed. He has been always very goofy and still is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child) ...Yeah man I'm American, don't worry, you'll never catch me arguing that America isn't a racist country lol. This place fucking sucks, and that's one of the big reasons why. Like I said I truly do not care about Pewdiepie. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, I wouldn't go out of my way to make anything good happen for him, he's just irrelevant to me and that's fine for both of us I imagine. Though I will say that if you elect to "not give a damn" about other people being exposed to racial slurs which make them feel dehumanized though, you're an asshole and a privileged one at that. Just because it may not be particularly relevant in your culture (though, back on 420chan [I'm old], I remember Swedish people whining nonstop about the Somali immigrants in their country, so I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that it isn't a Swedish issue too) doesn't mean you shouldn't care about how it can hurt other people. Especially when said by someone with a global audience, especially when that global audience is largely children or teenagers. But also, to reiterate my reiteration: I do not care about Pewdiepie and am not suggesting he be exiled from humanity, only that he probably shouldn't do that again. Which it sounds like he hasn't, so... good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isthereanydeal@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 months ago Well you sound about right in almost everything to be honest. Still I dont think he was that bad or that influential in terms of ideology just goofy and he probably now know that is better to not navigate this waters again. And well ... I care about pewdiepie. To me he always was good and now is producing a net good for humanity so... very good? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago He literally defined low Q brain rot videos. there are good uses of YouTube, then there is this guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orochi02@feddit.org 10 points 5 months ago You mean Here on fedi? permalink fedilink source parent