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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Tenfingers is roughly: you want the network to share your data, then you have to share data for the network. So for example you share 50MB of data for a large overshare for your 5MB web page. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] org@lemmy.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) What if you don’t have the 10x space when it gets big? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Well, then you have to make your website smaller, or extend your sharing space, or lower the oversharing. It's not intended for (nothing forbids it though) very large data sharing, more a personal sharing space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] org@lemmy.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) I guess that does encourage people to consider file size. Which is something most people don’t these days. I remember when 100k was considered a heavy load for users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Yes, and even if your whole site is a full GB, with images, songs and whatnot, you'd only need to have 10GB free for sharing (which is tweakable too!), something many people have, or so I wager. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) How does it handle website updstes to smaller size or loss of host? Will the network "forget"/discsrd the old/uncovered version/data sutomstically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago When you share say an 5MB mp3, with the default x10 oversharing, you'll negotiate with 10 other nodes to "you share mine, I'll share yours". The system will (configurable) accept files up to twice that size. It will statistically even out to roughly the same size of your file x the oversharing. And don't forget, we're not talking about TB of data, but Megabytes. You can "lose" some space quite many times before even hitting a Gigabyte. A GB is not much today, or so I think. When you decide to update your mp3 (say you have a "song of the day") then all nodes will get an update request. If they fail to update, they'll just be dropped and a new node searched for. You can also just clean out the shares if you want to, they'll repopulate automatically. With oversharing, you just need one of them all to be 'up' to make the system work, you can share your new song, shut your PC down and it still works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] org@lemmy.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) What if you don’t have the 10x space when it gets big? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Well, then you have to make your website smaller, or extend your sharing space, or lower the oversharing. It's not intended for (nothing forbids it though) very large data sharing, more a personal sharing space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] org@lemmy.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) I guess that does encourage people to consider file size. Which is something most people don’t these days. I remember when 100k was considered a heavy load for users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Yes, and even if your whole site is a full GB, with images, songs and whatnot, you'd only need to have 10GB free for sharing (which is tweakable too!), something many people have, or so I wager. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) How does it handle website updstes to smaller size or loss of host? Will the network "forget"/discsrd the old/uncovered version/data sutomstically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago When you share say an 5MB mp3, with the default x10 oversharing, you'll negotiate with 10 other nodes to "you share mine, I'll share yours". The system will (configurable) accept files up to twice that size. It will statistically even out to roughly the same size of your file x the oversharing. And don't forget, we're not talking about TB of data, but Megabytes. You can "lose" some space quite many times before even hitting a Gigabyte. A GB is not much today, or so I think. When you decide to update your mp3 (say you have a "song of the day") then all nodes will get an update request. If they fail to update, they'll just be dropped and a new node searched for. You can also just clean out the shares if you want to, they'll repopulate automatically. With oversharing, you just need one of them all to be 'up' to make the system work, you can share your new song, shut your PC down and it still works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) Well, then you have to make your website smaller, or extend your sharing space, or lower the oversharing. It's not intended for (nothing forbids it though) very large data sharing, more a personal sharing space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] org@lemmy.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) I guess that does encourage people to consider file size. Which is something most people don’t these days. I remember when 100k was considered a heavy load for users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Yes, and even if your whole site is a full GB, with images, songs and whatnot, you'd only need to have 10GB free for sharing (which is tweakable too!), something many people have, or so I wager. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) How does it handle website updstes to smaller size or loss of host? Will the network "forget"/discsrd the old/uncovered version/data sutomstically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago When you share say an 5MB mp3, with the default x10 oversharing, you'll negotiate with 10 other nodes to "you share mine, I'll share yours". The system will (configurable) accept files up to twice that size. It will statistically even out to roughly the same size of your file x the oversharing. And don't forget, we're not talking about TB of data, but Megabytes. You can "lose" some space quite many times before even hitting a Gigabyte. A GB is not much today, or so I think. When you decide to update your mp3 (say you have a "song of the day") then all nodes will get an update request. If they fail to update, they'll just be dropped and a new node searched for. You can also just clean out the shares if you want to, they'll repopulate automatically. With oversharing, you just need one of them all to be 'up' to make the system work, you can share your new song, shut your PC down and it still works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] org@lemmy.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) I guess that does encourage people to consider file size. Which is something most people don’t these days. I remember when 100k was considered a heavy load for users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Yes, and even if your whole site is a full GB, with images, songs and whatnot, you'd only need to have 10GB free for sharing (which is tweakable too!), something many people have, or so I wager. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago Yes, and even if your whole site is a full GB, with images, songs and whatnot, you'd only need to have 10GB free for sharing (which is tweakable too!), something many people have, or so I wager. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kissaki@beehaw.org 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) How does it handle website updstes to smaller size or loss of host? Will the network "forget"/discsrd the old/uncovered version/data sutomstically? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago When you share say an 5MB mp3, with the default x10 oversharing, you'll negotiate with 10 other nodes to "you share mine, I'll share yours". The system will (configurable) accept files up to twice that size. It will statistically even out to roughly the same size of your file x the oversharing. And don't forget, we're not talking about TB of data, but Megabytes. You can "lose" some space quite many times before even hitting a Gigabyte. A GB is not much today, or so I think. When you decide to update your mp3 (say you have a "song of the day") then all nodes will get an update request. If they fail to update, they'll just be dropped and a new node searched for. You can also just clean out the shares if you want to, they'll repopulate automatically. With oversharing, you just need one of them all to be 'up' to make the system work, you can share your new song, shut your PC down and it still works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago When you share say an 5MB mp3, with the default x10 oversharing, you'll negotiate with 10 other nodes to "you share mine, I'll share yours". The system will (configurable) accept files up to twice that size. It will statistically even out to roughly the same size of your file x the oversharing. And don't forget, we're not talking about TB of data, but Megabytes. You can "lose" some space quite many times before even hitting a Gigabyte. A GB is not much today, or so I think. When you decide to update your mp3 (say you have a "song of the day") then all nodes will get an update request. If they fail to update, they'll just be dropped and a new node searched for. You can also just clean out the shares if you want to, they'll repopulate automatically. With oversharing, you just need one of them all to be 'up' to make the system work, you can share your new song, shut your PC down and it still works. permalink fedilink source parent