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Canada Conservatives Want Chinese EVs Barred and Their Software Banned (eletric-vehicles.com)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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Generally avoid posting idiotic things this guy says, but as most people know as offensive as this guy is he's been sure not to offend anyone powerful and it seems like he's finally picked a side. Hopefully this will the straw that break the camel back for the Conservatives.

The Conservative leader called for a ban on Chinese software, matching the US.

“We will protect the North American supply chains by keeping the 75% rule in place, harmonise the North American cybersecurity rules by banning Chinese software, and align with our partners on the tariff against China to counter unfair trade and increase our negotiating leverage,” he stated.

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[–] 42 points 5 months ago (14 children)

We NEED cheap small EVs to go pick up our groceries and drop our kids off at school and go to the occasional dinner invitation at your relatives. 

Right now all we have are huge expensive or luxury EVs. I want a fucking Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris or a Ford Focus type of car. And the only ones that have them ready to sell are the Chinese. 

So let them in and allow us to dump ICE vehicles once and for all.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Fuck ICE in all fields

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    * heey~~~ * sad german high speed passenger train noises

    (Inter city express)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    How often is it running on time with no issues?
    Legitimate question, I only took it once from Frankfurt to Cologne, and it was ok once we were onboard, but was massively delayed. Just curious if that was an outlier or a regular thing.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's delayed quite often.
    Making fun of the DB is its own genre of comedy.

    But I have to stand up for them a little bit: obviously one delay is more memorable than 10 arrivals on time.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    obviously one delay is more memorable than 10 arrivals on time.

    Our brains are wired to remember negative outcomes to help decision making in the future. Which is why I was asking, I didn't have a great opinion of it, and just wanted to be sure I wasn't being needlessly harsh.
    Which it seems like I was.... considering I live in the UK and rail travel here is an absolute joke. No reason the train from Edinburgh to London should be 5ish hours and 7ish to drive. It's not even really that far...I say as a Canadian with a probably quite skewed perception of reasonable distances to drive....

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The Nissan Leaf and Kia Niro EV both exist. They aren't quite Honda fit small, but they are compact ev hatchbacks that are nowhere near luxury. Under $50k brand new and do the job just fine.

    I've put 140,000km on my Niro EV in the last four years, dragging my kids to sports and driving to work.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    $45k+ still isn't what I'd call affordable, especially when their closest ICE equivalents (Nissan Versa and Hyundai Kona) are about $20k cheaper new.

    At least it looks like used EVs with triple digit ranges are starting to show up around $10k. The state of EV affordability is improving but there's still a long way to go.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's because you are looking only at up front cost rather than total cost of ownership.

    A gas car will cost more than $45k in gasoline over its life.

    An EV in most parts of Canada will cost less than $10k over the same distance for electricity.

    That $45k EVs is already significantly cheaper than an equivalent gas car. This has been true for a while now.

    If you drive enough, it can even be cheaper per month while paying for the car. A $600 per month EV payment with $100 a month electrical cost is the same price as a $300 car payment with $400 in gas costs. Then the moment you pay the car off you're saving $300 a month for the rest of its life.

    If all you do is commute 10km a day, Yea don't go buy a brand new EV, but you shouldn't be buying a brand new gas car for that either.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    The problem is that once you get into lifetime costs the variables go through the roof and any numbers you come up with are almost meaningless to anyone but yourself. (Not to mention needing to calculate increasingly volatile energy prices over decades) I tried to do a bit of basic math. I calculated with BC Hydro home rates at $0.12/kwh and fast charger rates at $0.40/kwh, and with gas at its (local) year low of $1.40/L as well as rounding up to $2/L. I also am taking my basic search for efficiency data at face value.

    Cost/100km

    Kia Niro EV ~17kwh/100km = $2.04 home $6.80 fast charger
    Hyundai Kona ICE ~7.5L/100km combined = $10.50-$15

    Nissan Leaf ~18.9kwh/100km = $2.27 home $7.56 fast charger
    Nissan Versa ~6.8L/100km = $9.52-$13.60

    There's no doubt there are many people saving tons by driving an EV, just as I have no doubt many people will never break even (and if they're ok with that I have no issues).

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