The radical left (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 135 points 6 months ago* (25 children)

I was talking to a Polish friend about Polish politics. He said in Poland, like in the US, they had both conservative and liberal parties - but that the topics for debate were different. In Poland, the conservatives agreed with the liberals on things like healthcare funding, supporting higher education, and funding transit projects. All these things were non-issues in Polish politics.

"Well," says I, "Then I'm confused. If the conservatives and liberals agree on all those things, then what makes them different? What makes the conservatives, conservative?"

"Ah, you see," he says, "They're racist. That's the whole thing - they're just racist."

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  • [–] 98 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (15 children)

    I'm convinced the reason the US doesn't have universal anything is because "but then the blacks would get it."

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  • [–] 56 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    That's honestly it. Right wing Americans don't want other people to get access to things. They think rights are a pie. If 'they' get a slice, I'll end up with less of it. Rather it's actually a bakery... You pay into it and you just get pie.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    No they want to grow the pie, but just for themselves.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I watched a documentary about USA and there was a lady who said she didn’t want universal healthcare because she shouldn’t want to pay other people’s healthcare. As a European citizen I couldn’t understand the logic, are everyone in the USA so individual citizens that they only care about themselves, not anyone else?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Someone pointed out that with the current system of healthcare insurance, you are literally paying for other people's healthcare.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    I have had that conversation with Americans on social media. I tried explaining to them paying a private insurance company does actually pay for other peoples healthcare, and that it is not banking money for your own care. They couldn't grasp the idea, and couldn't understand how a single system ( that is government funded ) ends up providing cheaper insurance because there is no profit and everyone pays into it.

    Lack of critical thinking for many Americans.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    Historically, yes. But in 2026, if you think that you better hide it. Even in MAGA crowds, although there it can be less well hidden.

    In eastern Europe there isn't really centuries of troubled race relations to look back at, so you might just hear "all blacks out".

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Europe has had troubled relations with Muslim neighbors for centuries. See Siege of Vienna and Ottoman colonization of the Balkan.

    Also lots of conflict with European neighbors.

    Many racists in Europe don’t consider all Europeans to be the same race. Slavs are looked down on and discriminated against in Western Europe. Southern and Northern Europeans also have animosities going on.

    Racism and xenophobia is different in Europe than the US.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    And don't even get started on the Roma.

    It is different. The US was basically apartheid until 1965, with a significant part of it's population disenfranchised. Race is woven into all kinds of social situations in a way that even I as a Canadian can lose track of. In Europe it's just kind of one issue among many, as far as I can tell. That can come out as less racism, or as more.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Now it's hidden as consumer choice or something.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Or actually everyone else is discriminating against whites somehow, or vague "cultural identity" which is definitely about being white, but they have the one brown person as their spokesperson so they can deny it. Dog whistles will probably be everywhere, but if one in specific is pointed out it was "a mistake".

    There's a few tricks, and enough racists kicking around they get used a lot. But yeah, you'll never see the actual thing come out completely in any public forum, or even causally with other white people who might not be in the club.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Ah, you see," he says, "They're racist. That's the whole thing - they're just racist."

    That's fundamentally the same everywhere, much the same in Australia but to an extent only part of the story

    Gets fuzzier around womens, LBQTI rights, lot of religious shit baggery there, as there is in Poland, Hungary etc

    They don't want universal healthcare in the US because brown skinned people might use it.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I wouldn't say racist. I'd say it's recognizing the huge problems that come with uncontrolled mass migration from countries with low education levels and diamterically different cultures and values.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race or ethnicity over another.[1][2][3] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different ethnic background.

    I don't know, seems to fit the definition nicely.

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