▲ 23 ▼ news media claims Proton mail helped FBI unmask anonymous stop cop city protestors: (www.404media.co) submitted 5 months ago by Bullerfar@lemmy.world to c/protonprivacy@lemmy.world 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments Is this true??
[+] Steve@communick.news -10 points 5 months ago (4 children) You say no, then explain exactly how it's a yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) "Helped" is a very proactive term, they didn't even comply to the FBI request, the FBI had to get a court order from the Swiss government. The title could as easily say it was the user that helped the FBI unmask him by giving personal information that wasn't required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Is it proactive? Sometimes doing nothing can be helpful to someone. Nobody disagrees with what the literal events were. It just seems like some people feel like helping the FBI collect evidence against a suspect is a bad thing, and don't want to frame Proton that way. That's crazy of course. Proton never sold itself as a tool to protect criminals. Nobody want's them to be that. They need to comply with all legal requests for information. That's what they're supposed to do. If they didn't they'd be shut down. And the rest of us would loose the reasonable privacy protection we want and they offer. That would be very bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) It wasn't proactive at all. It was in response to a Swiss court order. Which they are required to comply with since they are based on Switzerland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago PiraHxCx said "helped" is a very proactive term. I was asking about the implications of the word helped. Pointing out that it doesn't necessarily imply anything active. I wasn't talking about any specific example or event. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) paranoia-level anonymyty doesnt happen by default. this guy failed to due his due diligence to utilize a anonymous payment method, and that was literally the only piece of data it took 2 governments to get out of proton. how any of that equates to proton doing something wrong is baffling to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who said Proton did anything wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 5 months ago It's the clear assumption people have in nearly every comment in all of these threads. Because no one ever reads the articles, and the headlines are certainly implying people make that assumption. permalink fedilink source parent [+] green_red_black@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) You force me to give you a gun, you give the gun to terrorists. Have I supported terrorism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 5 months ago You certainly "helped" the terrorists. I don't know if you support them. That's not even the question here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) "Helped" is a very proactive term, they didn't even comply to the FBI request, the FBI had to get a court order from the Swiss government. The title could as easily say it was the user that helped the FBI unmask him by giving personal information that wasn't required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Is it proactive? Sometimes doing nothing can be helpful to someone. Nobody disagrees with what the literal events were. It just seems like some people feel like helping the FBI collect evidence against a suspect is a bad thing, and don't want to frame Proton that way. That's crazy of course. Proton never sold itself as a tool to protect criminals. Nobody want's them to be that. They need to comply with all legal requests for information. That's what they're supposed to do. If they didn't they'd be shut down. And the rest of us would loose the reasonable privacy protection we want and they offer. That would be very bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) It wasn't proactive at all. It was in response to a Swiss court order. Which they are required to comply with since they are based on Switzerland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago PiraHxCx said "helped" is a very proactive term. I was asking about the implications of the word helped. Pointing out that it doesn't necessarily imply anything active. I wasn't talking about any specific example or event. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) Is it proactive? Sometimes doing nothing can be helpful to someone. Nobody disagrees with what the literal events were. It just seems like some people feel like helping the FBI collect evidence against a suspect is a bad thing, and don't want to frame Proton that way. That's crazy of course. Proton never sold itself as a tool to protect criminals. Nobody want's them to be that. They need to comply with all legal requests for information. That's what they're supposed to do. If they didn't they'd be shut down. And the rest of us would loose the reasonable privacy protection we want and they offer. That would be very bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) It wasn't proactive at all. It was in response to a Swiss court order. Which they are required to comply with since they are based on Switzerland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago PiraHxCx said "helped" is a very proactive term. I was asking about the implications of the word helped. Pointing out that it doesn't necessarily imply anything active. I wasn't talking about any specific example or event. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 child) It wasn't proactive at all. It was in response to a Swiss court order. Which they are required to comply with since they are based on Switzerland. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago PiraHxCx said "helped" is a very proactive term. I was asking about the implications of the word helped. Pointing out that it doesn't necessarily imply anything active. I wasn't talking about any specific example or event. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 5 months ago PiraHxCx said "helped" is a very proactive term. I was asking about the implications of the word helped. Pointing out that it doesn't necessarily imply anything active. I wasn't talking about any specific example or event. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) paranoia-level anonymyty doesnt happen by default. this guy failed to due his due diligence to utilize a anonymous payment method, and that was literally the only piece of data it took 2 governments to get out of proton. how any of that equates to proton doing something wrong is baffling to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who said Proton did anything wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 5 months ago It's the clear assumption people have in nearly every comment in all of these threads. Because no one ever reads the articles, and the headlines are certainly implying people make that assumption. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who said Proton did anything wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 5 months ago It's the clear assumption people have in nearly every comment in all of these threads. Because no one ever reads the articles, and the headlines are certainly implying people make that assumption. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 5 months ago It's the clear assumption people have in nearly every comment in all of these threads. Because no one ever reads the articles, and the headlines are certainly implying people make that assumption. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) You force me to give you a gun, you give the gun to terrorists. Have I supported terrorism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 5 months ago You certainly "helped" the terrorists. I don't know if you support them. That's not even the question here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 5 months ago You certainly "helped" the terrorists. I don't know if you support them. That's not even the question here. permalink fedilink source parent