▲ 870 ▼ Motorola GrapheneOS devices will be bootloader unlockable/relockable (grapheneos.social) submitted 6 months ago by XLE@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 126 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (12 children) Will banking apps and NFC pay finally work? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago (10 children) Doesn't that depend on google play services? If so, "probably not, but then again it works currently if you install play services on a separate user profile (or on your main, defeating the purpose of grapheneOS to begin with but more power to you)." Tell google/banks to stop requiring the spyware, they won't but at least it's better then telling the secure OS to install just a little spyware just so you don't need to carry a wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) graphene still sandboxes gplay, even if you use the two profiles for work and home permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (5 children) I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that's pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (4 children) and i'm saying it's still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) I guess I'm confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it's tracking thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent [–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. That's more than just needing "to carry a wallet." That's the difference of more than $450 in mistakes as that's what happened when i didn't get a live-update to my account prior to the advent of smartphone banking apps. Fuck 5/3. -a dumpster-fire of a banking organization if i've ever seen one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ButtKiss@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. cant you use a web browser for that ltask ? All my banks let me log in via a web browser fir that at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Wow! okay, i leaned something new today. edit I am surprised I never thought of that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos Check here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago (10 children) Doesn't that depend on google play services? If so, "probably not, but then again it works currently if you install play services on a separate user profile (or on your main, defeating the purpose of grapheneOS to begin with but more power to you)." Tell google/banks to stop requiring the spyware, they won't but at least it's better then telling the secure OS to install just a little spyware just so you don't need to carry a wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) graphene still sandboxes gplay, even if you use the two profiles for work and home permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (5 children) I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that's pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (4 children) and i'm saying it's still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) I guess I'm confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it's tracking thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent [–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. That's more than just needing "to carry a wallet." That's the difference of more than $450 in mistakes as that's what happened when i didn't get a live-update to my account prior to the advent of smartphone banking apps. Fuck 5/3. -a dumpster-fire of a banking organization if i've ever seen one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ButtKiss@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. cant you use a web browser for that ltask ? All my banks let me log in via a web browser fir that at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Wow! okay, i leaned something new today. edit I am surprised I never thought of that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (6 children) graphene still sandboxes gplay, even if you use the two profiles for work and home permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (5 children) I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that's pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (4 children) and i'm saying it's still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) I guess I'm confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it's tracking thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (5 children) I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that's pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (4 children) and i'm saying it's still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) I guess I'm confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it's tracking thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (4 children) and i'm saying it's still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) I guess I'm confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it's tracking thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) I guess I'm confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it's tracking thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required. plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BaroqBard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It'll still try, it just wouldn't have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. That's more than just needing "to carry a wallet." That's the difference of more than $450 in mistakes as that's what happened when i didn't get a live-update to my account prior to the advent of smartphone banking apps. Fuck 5/3. -a dumpster-fire of a banking organization if i've ever seen one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ButtKiss@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. cant you use a web browser for that ltask ? All my banks let me log in via a web browser fir that at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Wow! okay, i leaned something new today. edit I am surprised I never thought of that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ButtKiss@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. cant you use a web browser for that ltask ? All my banks let me log in via a web browser fir that at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Wow! okay, i leaned something new today. edit I am surprised I never thought of that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Wow! okay, i leaned something new today. edit I am surprised I never thought of that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos Check here permalink fedilink source parent