ryathal comments on Gen Z males twice as likely as baby boomers to believe wives should obey husbands

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)

It's more of an academic point than anything that has actual effect on day to day religious activity.

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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Not true at all. I mean sure Muslims don’t pray to Jesus, but they don’t pray to Muhammad either. And when reading the Quran, Jesus is mentioned more than Muhammad’s by name. Mary mother of Jesus is mentioned even more.

Fun fact, Muslims unlike Evangelicals believe Mary was indeed a virgin.

But to understand how important Jesus is to Muslims, just know that when the apocalypse happens in the Quran, it’s Jesus that returns not Muhammad.

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

None of that changes what I said. He's not really part of the core of the religion. It's just like with Judaism and Christianity. The Torah is a big part of the Christian Bible, but the focus and context are vastly different.

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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

Not a good example at all.

The Old Testament is vital to Christianity first of all.

And to Muslims, Muhammad was clarifying the message of Jesus because it had been obscured by centuries of changes done by “men” and “the church”. The teachings of Muhammad to them are the same as the teachings of Jesus. And of Moses, and Abraham.

They don’t see Mohammad as inherently more worthy than Jesus, or Moses or Abraham. They are all equally prophets. I mean they even see Jesus as more special than Mohammad in many ways cause like I said they believe in the virgin birth. They believe God literally made Jesus in Mary’s womb.

And there are PLENTY of Jesus quotes in the Quran. Like full on teachings of Jesus.

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The Christian Jesus is literally god. The Quran changed that to just a prophet, that's a significant change. That's pretty similar to how the Christian Bible treats the old testament, it's part of it, but the new testament recontextualizes it to be something different than the Jewish Torah.

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[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

Muslims would say that the view that Jesus is literally God is one of the distortions in the Bible. That idea is actually pretty late, becoming orthodoxy only centuries after Jesus.

And the Old Testament is not recontextualized. It’s just the Torah. The idea that Jesus’ message was fundamentally different from Judaism is also a pretty late development. Something Muslims also say is a distortion of the Bible from the original message of Jesus.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago

And the Old Testament is not recontextualized. It’s just the Torah

Technically they removed every "Yahweh" in most English versions of the Bible when they turned the Torah into the Old Testament. They just replaced it with "LORD" or "GOD".

It's the one major change, because Christians weren't supposed to use God's name. Spelled Yahweh in the Torah and Allah in the Quran.

And as a result a shit ton of people who consider themselves experts in their own religion, don't understand it's all the same God all the Abrahmic religions pray to.

Similar with Jesus, who is called Isa in the Quran.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 point 6 months ago

Thank you.

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