cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/europe/p/1841865/french-president-expresses-european-solidarity-with-spain-after-us-threats-over-madrids

French President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday voiced solidarity with Spain following recent threats by US President Donald Trump over Madrid's stance on Iran. > > Macron has just spoken with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez “to express France’s European solidarity in response to the recent threats of economic coercion that Spain was targeted with yesterday," the French Presidency told broadcaster BFMTV. > > European Council President Antonio Costa also expressed the EU's solidarity with Madrid and noted that the bloc "will always ensure that the interests of its Member States are fully protected."

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[–] 103 points 6 months ago (27 children)

How about he shows Europe's solidarity by not joining an illegal, brutal, vicious war waged by two blood thirsty criminals?

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    The carrier is there strictly in a defensive posture. no? I'm not aware of France being involved in any attacks on Iran.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Macron explicitly said that France was involved because of defense treaties with petromonarchies. That means that French weapons and soldiers will be involved in disabling Iranian war capability, i.e. bombing them.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Are you suggesting they simply ignore the defence treaties they signed with allies? Who do you think they are, Russia?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What business do the French have in the Middle Esast that their head of state signs defense treaties with petromonarchies? What's in there for French people? What's in there for French values?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Bombing them and taking out offensive weapons is not the same thing. 

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It is, when Iran is using these weapons to push American allies in the region to try and convince the Burgers to stop murdering them, and to take out military installations that help the Burgers kill.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If so, that's an idiotic strategy. It would be like Palestinians suicide-bombing EU countries to make them stop Israel's war.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Iran has been hitting military targets and other infrastructure that's supporting military targets. What exactly would they be defending? France is out of range.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Are embassies military targets or other infrastructure supporting military targets? How about gas terminals?

    Are hospitals supporting military targets because they heal soldiers? Are schools military targets because kids can become soldiers?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Embassies, yes. Check out what the US embassy was doing in Tehran during the 70s. Gas terminals, yes. But also Iran has been claiming the strike in SA wasn't them. Hospitals, no. I haven't seen anything about Iran striking hospitals. US and Israel regularly strike hospitals. Schools, no. Once again, Iran isn't, but you can't say the same about the agressors

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    So anything that Iran hits is automatically a valid target... How come it doesn't work the other way?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Are hospitals and school girls valid targets? One side is acting defensively. If you've been following this conflict for a while, you'd know that Iran has done as much as possible to avoid this conflict. Their back is against the wall and they're swinging.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Absolutely not valid targets, bordering on war crimes.

    Which in no way justifies attacking civilians on the other side. Hotels, airports, embassies...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Embassies often hold intelligence offices. They're absolutely a valid target. Airports are infrastructure that supports military operations. (Flying in food and other supplies) Hotels that have been hit were where military personnel were staying. (When other countries do this it's called 'using human shields')

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Bullshit excuse. You can use the same reasoning to excuse Israel actuons: hospitals support military operations, schools educate future soldiers, weddings are attended by potential soldiers.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ben Gurion airport LITERALLY has an Airforce Base attached to it. The US LITERALLY evacuated their bases and had personnel staying in local hotels. Arguing against this is like saying the Iranian frigate in Indonesia wasn't a valid target because it wasn't in the theater of war

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Macron wants to look tough for votes.

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