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European gas prices jump by as much as 45% as Qatar stops LNG production (www.euronews.com)
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[–] 3 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

Again, which side has a history of both doing genocide and lying about it? And I'm not letting you slink away from this question: which side, gun to your head, do you think is more likely to be lying? You can snidely ignore all my other points and say "no u" all you want, i want to know which side you think is more trustworthy and why.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Both sides are lying! How is this so hard for you to understand. Russia is committing genocide. Israel is committing genocide. Russia was founded on genocide and conquest. The list of war crimes Russia is committing is ever growing, clear as day, documented. We have first hand testimony, videos, independent journalists reporting on the front every day. How is it that you feel like they are telling the truth on their invasion of another country. Why do you trust the government that lies every day and contradict itself continuously? I do not trust Donald Trump. Why would you trust Putin? They are but the same shit but somewhat you feel like one deserve your trust just because sono quora post made by some propaganda man.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    If both sides are lying, how come you choose to believe one about the other? These claims don't arise from nowhere: you are believing the story of a faction you admit is lying, when they claim the other side is lying. What you're doing is the equivalent of saying "Israel is committing genocide, and Hamas beheaded 40 babies and wants to kill every Jew is the world. Both sides are lying, why is this so hard for you to understand?"

    You are presenting yourself as an impartial observer, but you're explicitly lending credence to the propaganda of one side: the side that has lied for centuries, which also just so happens to be the side you grew up in.

    When Ukraine loses the war soon, you will find that the state and people will remain very much un-genocided by the Russian Federation, but instead immiserated by the regime of austerity and privatization forced on them by their western "benefactors".

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago*

    Because data do not care about sides. If you have different sources from different nations and different entities providing corroborating evidences (satellite images from private companies, survivors interviews from independent journalists, radio interception, videos from front line soldiers) and have thousand of independent lawyers, analysts, activists from multiple nations creating reports of thousand of pages that all agree despite being from non aligned countries and no profit, then there is weight on what is written in those reports.

    If the US lies very often and the US says that Russia is committing genocide that does not mean that Russia is not committing genocide. This just means that the US does not lie all the time. If Russia tell the truth sometimes does not mean they do not lie very often.

    Explain to me why you feel the need to pic side with a corrupt government when there is no need to do that.

    EDIT: just to further clarify: I do not believe Russia is committing genocide because the US said so. I believe it because reliable independent data says so. If the US government agrees with data because it is convenient for them to say so, I do not care. The US agreeing with reality does not change reality. Believing Russia telling that Russia is not committing crimes in their invasion of Ukraine is stupid and naive.

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